Memphis buy and hold investment company

Memphis buy and hold investment company

Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Hello,

I've been a RE investor for 4 years. I own three houses (two rentals and my primary residence) with a fourth under contract. I was looking to buy 2 more rentals until I saw the add on this site for Memphisbuyandhold.

The cash on cash returns are far higher, and with the cash I have on hand, I could finance 10 or more of these rentals (using a portfolio lender) with 30-50% CoC return. Heck, I could cash out of my other properties and buy 30 of these. Here in the Seattle area property is very expensive and the rents are not that great. It was largely paying cash, buying right, or timing/financing that made my rentals profitable, depending on the rental.

So even on a financed property, I am looking at the same cash flow on a Memphis house, for a fraction of the down payment on a house here. It also seems they have a tile attorney, and property manager built in, so it literally seems turnkey, some of the houses are already rented even. I have not been able to find anything bad about the company after a cursory search online so far, but wanted to see what everyone here thinks.

I could finance 10 properties in Memphis for what the DP on three cheaper greater Seattle area houses DP's are, with the same cash flow for each Memphis property as each Seattle property, and 2-3 times the CoC returns. Heck, I could pay cash for a Memphis house for what the DP on a greater Seattle area house is here. My only concerns are, I have no knowledge of this company, Memphis, or buying out of state real estate.

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Memphis, TN · Member since 2013 · 969 posts · 524 votes
11y

Hi @Jack B.

Thank you for posting the forum question about my company. Also thank you @Melodee Lucido  for explaining who I am and your professional experience in dealing with me and my company... 

@Dean Letfus and @Curt Davis   thank you for stating some of your personal opinions concerning homes that are priced @$50k or less and some homes that are priced at more than say $70k etc. You both have great companies and wish nothing but the best for each of you and your companies.

Now back to the original post concerning my company.

Here are 2 links to my bio

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/derrick-craig/62/a41/67b/

http://www.memphisbuyandhold.com/team

The properties I purchase rehab/repair are SFR, Duplexes, and Multi Family apartments that I grew up around. I am a product of the inner city of Memphis as you can read from my bio I was born and raised here in Memphis, many others are not from this city and or don't live here. That is not to say they don't know Memphis and REI!!!

We all have different areas of the city that we invest, I choose to invest in areas where I grew up, attended grade school and attended College.. Le Moyne Owen College GooOO Magicians LOL!! I also still have friends and family that live in the areas I invest. This cuts my risk on investment down considerably compared to other companies. Which raises my CoC return to the numbers you see on my website. Some of my investment properties may be in areas that many feel are bad areas, War Zones, or C or D Class properties which is great for me and my investors because I am able to continue to scoop them up for pennies on the dollar. The people that rent/buy/live in these neighborhoods need a nice place to stay and raise their families as well, it's called giving back to the community that raised me....And also making profitable investment at the same time. I invite anyone to come visit Memphis and view any of my available properties/Leases/Sec 8 HAP Contracts, I will even treat you to some of the World's Best Bar B Q.

 @jack If I was able to get 22% appreciation in my local market along with great Cash flow I would invest there as well.

Thank You for posting this forum Hopefully I was able to answer all of your questions about me and my company if not please PM me or call or email me  from my info below.

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  • Real Estate Investor · OR · Member since 2012 · 390 posts · 133 votes
    11y

    Hi @JackB and welcome to BP. It's a great place to learn, make connections and do biz.

    Memphis Buy and Hold is owned and managed by @Derrick Craig. I have worked with him for a while and find him to be a man of integrity. He also grew up in Memphis and knows it better than most anyone I have worked with here before. 

    I receive no perks for saying this about Derrick. It's just my experience. I had to learn from the school of hard knocks when I first started in Memphis but now have solid teams in place and that is the most crucial part of investing out of state---which is about 90% of my business. If Derrick says DO NOT buy there you can believe he knows what he is talking about. He is a straight shooter :-)

    There are many loooong discussions here on BP about turnkey companies, buying turnkey and investing out of state. You could literally read for an entire day on the topics.

    Best of Luck to You

  • Curt DavisBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Memphis, TN · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    11y

    @Jack B.  

    I can almost guarantee that if you buy homes for under $50,000 in our lovely city, you will most likely have a bad experience long term unless your a local investor.  Dont be fooled by the numbers.  If you want an unbiased opinion just ask @Jay Hinrichs.

    We will only provide cheap homes like this unless we have an investor who specifically requests them and knows the risks.  

    Higher vacancy, higher maintenance, higher potential for crime/vandalism.  Its not all peaches. You will have a better long term success rate if you buy above say $75,000 here.  

    One of the top investment providers in our market told me personally that he experiences on average 45% late paying tenants every month and his average sale price is about $57k.  If this info is coming from the top low end provider then what do you think it is for everyone else?  Much worse.

    Curt Davis - KAIZEN Realty538 Reviews
  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    I would be willing to buy homes 50-75K in Memphis. I've found some threads on zip codes to avoid, but could get more from here and City Data.

  • Specialist · Memphis, TN · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    If you move up into better areas which will be 60 to 90K sort of price range you will be safe. Avoid low end unless you live there!

  • Rental Property Investor · MA · Member since 2014 · 420 posts · 213 votes
    11y

    I guess I am not the only one seeing all the ads!  Thanks for feedback all.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Dean Letfus:

    If you move up into better areas which will be 60 to 90K sort of price range you will be safe. Avoid low end unless you live there!

     What kind of rents? With the 60K range it could still be a better deal than my area, but in the 90k to 150K range it's not as good a deal. I looked at some of the properties on Memphis Invest which seems to be highly regarded, and the rents were low compared to the price IMO. I could get a similar house for equal or better price/rent ratio in a local market where I can self manage and there is a good economy (military/tech/Boeing).

    Plus appreciation in my area has been higher than Memphis. One of my properties went up 22% last year, the other 13%. Not going to be like that every year of course, but it is something I consider a nice bonus/a factor to consider. So far it sounds like Memphis is not what it looks like on paper.

  • Curt DavisBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Memphis, TN · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    11y

    there is no question that rent ratios on cheaper homes will be better but once you get to around $90k it starts to decrease but the quality is better.  If you can get the same thing in your own market and self manage then surely go that direction.  The company you referred to does have a higher sale price to rent ratio but they have the best team in the country for their business model and that is why investors are willing to pay that price.  

    Homes in the $60k range should rent for $700-$825 depending on who your doing business with but you also Ned to make sure there is no loss on a quality fresh renovation. 

    Curt Davis - KAIZEN Realty538 Reviews
  • Specialist · Memphis, TN · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    @Jack B. in the 60's this is a typical sort of deal:
    LINK

    $825 to $900 a month is realistic at under 70K buy

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    11y

    @Jack B. 

      The reason a company like MI is selling at that price is they have a ton of volume and they do according to the owner at least half their business by referral if they put people into homes that did not perform  IE lower end as Curt mentions they would not be were they are.

    But you make a very good point out of state is not always the grass is greener scenario in fact out of state in the sub 125k range will in most markets really never move in value we all know that were on the west coast its a big function of the total investment.

    Plus with your SEattle area homes. How many times have they been broken into and completely striped just because they were vacant for 3 days... ?

    One really needs to understand out of area lower end markets to understand the full picture.

  • Memphis, TN · Member since 2013 · 969 posts · 524 votes
    11y

    Hi @Jack B.

    Thank you for posting the forum question about my company. Also thank you @Melodee Lucido  for explaining who I am and your professional experience in dealing with me and my company... 

    @Dean Letfus and @Curt Davis   thank you for stating some of your personal opinions concerning homes that are priced @$50k or less and some homes that are priced at more than say $70k etc. You both have great companies and wish nothing but the best for each of you and your companies.

    Now back to the original post concerning my company.

    Here are 2 links to my bio

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/derrick-craig/62/a41/67b/

    http://www.memphisbuyandhold.com/team

    The properties I purchase rehab/repair are SFR, Duplexes, and Multi Family apartments that I grew up around. I am a product of the inner city of Memphis as you can read from my bio I was born and raised here in Memphis, many others are not from this city and or don't live here. That is not to say they don't know Memphis and REI!!!

    We all have different areas of the city that we invest, I choose to invest in areas where I grew up, attended grade school and attended College.. Le Moyne Owen College GooOO Magicians LOL!! I also still have friends and family that live in the areas I invest. This cuts my risk on investment down considerably compared to other companies. Which raises my CoC return to the numbers you see on my website. Some of my investment properties may be in areas that many feel are bad areas, War Zones, or C or D Class properties which is great for me and my investors because I am able to continue to scoop them up for pennies on the dollar. The people that rent/buy/live in these neighborhoods need a nice place to stay and raise their families as well, it's called giving back to the community that raised me....And also making profitable investment at the same time. I invite anyone to come visit Memphis and view any of my available properties/Leases/Sec 8 HAP Contracts, I will even treat you to some of the World's Best Bar B Q.

     @jack If I was able to get 22% appreciation in my local market along with great Cash flow I would invest there as well.

    Thank You for posting this forum Hopefully I was able to answer all of your questions about me and my company if not please PM me or call or email me  from my info below.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    11y

    @Derrick Craig 

      I think the issue that if your not personally there some time in the future.. and in my many years in this business turn key guys do come and go... Although sounds like your a lifer :) but even you may want to retire some day or move to another area.. etc etc.

    And what do these investor do when your not there to help them. I have no doubt that what you say is accurate.. I have not done bizz with you at least I don't think so.. But I do have two low end duplex's I bought last year at tax sale, they could be perfect for you... to rough for me to keep.  I will shoot them over to you  probably a good pick up for you.

  • Memphis, TN · Member since 2013 · 969 posts · 524 votes
    11y

    @Jay Hinrichs 

    You are absolutely right I am a lifer.... : ) I plan on staying in Memphis for a long long long time. It is a great city and all my family and friends live here so I have no need to leave. My business is doing great and I am financially free from the regular 9-5 career that I once had at Wells Fargo that made me move to Nashville Tn back in 2003-2006. Now my career is Memphis Buy and Hold/DCC Rentals LLC.

    I will always be here to help my investors and I am currently hiring more team members and building my brand and business so if I am unavailable they will have no problem stepping in and answering any questions or concerns people may have about their investments.

    No we have not done business before but that's not to say we can't start LOL!! If you don't mind please send the addresses of the 2 duplexes over to me I will love to check them out.

    Thanks for the kind comments

    Derrick Craig

  • Investor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2013 · 741 posts · 845 votes
    11y

    @Jay Hinrichs  shoot me those duplexes as well, if they don't work for Derrick they might work for me.

  • SFR Investor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 15 votes
    9y

    I don't know about the 50K-60k deals. However, I've invested into 10 properties here in Memphis for less than 30K and receiving an ROI of 42%. For example I don't rent to just 1 person to a house. I rent to 3 disabled vets to a house $500 X 3 = $1500 per month and my Rents are all guaranteed through Non-Profit Organizations. You can't always look at a low income area as a bad area. If you know what you're doing and who supplies you with Golden Girl type tenants. You'll never have a problem with rent, damage to the property or anything else with these types of tenants.

    http://memphisdiscountedproperties.net

  • Salem, MA · Member since 2017 · 56 posts · 14 votes
    8y
    This is very well said. I like the fact you give back to the community and at the same time you benefit too. It seems like a win win situation.

    I agree with you Derrick, everyone needs a place to live. And every property will be different with different risks and benefits. Some new investors will look for the safest investment but I am sure a seasoned ones will not shy away from neghborhood you would classify as C or D. There is always a match. 

    Mariusz


    Originally posted by @Derrick Craig:

    Hi @Jack B.

    Thank you for posting the forum question about my company. Also thank you @Melodee Lucido  for explaining who I am and your professional experience in dealing with me and my company... 

    @Dean Letfus and @Curt Davis   thank you for stating some of your personal opinions concerning homes that are priced @$50k or less and some homes that are priced at more than say $70k etc. You both have great companies and wish nothing but the best for each of you and your companies.

    Now back to the original post concerning my company.

    Here are 2 links to my bio

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/derrick-craig/62/a41/6...

    http://www.memphisbuyandhold.com/team

    The properties I purchase rehab/repair are SFR, Duplexes, and Multi Family apartments that I grew up around. I am a product of the inner city of Memphis as you can read from my bio I was born and raised here in Memphis, many others are not from this city and or don't live here. That is not to say they don't know Memphis and REI!!!

    We all have different areas of the city that we invest, I choose to invest in areas where I grew up, attended grade school and attended College.. Le Moyne Owen College GooOO Magicians LOL!! I also still have friends and family that live in the areas I invest. This cuts my risk on investment down considerably compared to other companies. Which raises my CoC return to the numbers you see on my website. Some of my investment properties may be in areas that many feel are bad areas, War Zones, or C or D Class properties which is great for me and my investors because I am able to continue to scoop them up for pennies on the dollar. The people that rent/buy/live in these neighborhoods need a nice place to stay and raise their families as well, it's called giving back to the community that raised me....And also making profitable investment at the same time. I invite anyone to come visit Memphis and view any of my available properties/Leases/Sec 8 HAP Contracts, I will even treat you to some of the World's Best Bar B Q.

     @jack If I was able to get 22% appreciation in my local market along with great Cash flow I would invest there as well.

    Thank You for posting this forum Hopefully I was able to answer all of your questions about me and my company if not please PM me or call or email me  from my info below.

  • Member since 2018 · 14 posts · 6 votes
    8y

    @Robert Flowers

    Could I ask you how did you go about renting your homes to disabled vets?  My brother is a disabled vet and I've been meaning to reach others like him.  I own a property in Memphis and wanted to do something like that to better the community there as well.

  • SFR Investor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 15 votes
    8y

    It took me a while to Build a relationship with non-profit organizations to have an endless flow of tenants. You must not be in it for the money... It has to be a concern for the tenant overall and the money will come. You would need to build a strong presence on how you handle tenants in certain situations. For example: What's your procedure if a tenant experience an episode or that tenant has no one to turn to-------- only you.... Don't stack your tenants on top of each other.  Just because you have 12 rooms and 2 baths, does not mean you should obtain 12 tenants. This reduces conflict with personalities. Build a website for special needs only and highlight your benefits. Focus on the tenant comfort and that tenant will spread the word for you.. 

    Robert Flowers

  • SFR Investor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 15 votes
    8y

    Situation: Non-profit organization gives you a call and says... "Mr. Flowers we have a couple here that has been sleeping in their car and we wanted to know if you have a place available. My response to this is.... Are you looking for emergency housing for a few days or something more on a permanent level? This is important because you should have both, emergency and permanent. Emergency could be just a room you have available to stay until you setup permanent housing. This prevents you from leaving money on the table.... Do not worry about payment for this tenant because it is not the tenant that's calling you... It's the non-profit organization. The idea behind this is to build your network of housing. Some shared housing, some single family for those who can't get along with others.

    If tenants are moving out of your shared housing, be prepared to have a single family property for them to move into. Money will never leave your network or properties. The rewards are guaranteed rents and higher ROI...

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 1 post · 0 votes
    5y

    Memphis buy and hold owner is super rude and nasty 

    I asked to see one of the properties he had posted online and this was his replay :

    I am sorry you will not be purchasing or seeing any of my properties I am Derrick Craig and I own Memphis Buy and Hold.

    Very unprofessional 

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