Property Insurance vs. House Insurance for Rental Units?

Property Insurance vs. House Insurance for Rental Units?

Investor · Janesville, WI · Member since 2013 · 180 posts · 155 votes

I just recently bought my first rental property - a 3,100sqft duplex for $56K and had some questions while getting it insured. I went through American Family since all my person insurance is through this company and they said that the Actual Replacement Value would be $310,000 based on square footage. I told them that was silly and wanted to only insure it for $80,000 (The value it appraised for). They told me it was a catch 22 scenario where they could not physically insure the place for the ARV as this was more than twice the purchase price, however they also couldn't insure it for $80,000 as this was too far below the ARV value? They came up with insuring the property (land) itself for $150,000 for about $200/yr (I see most people pay around $800 per year) And that this did not include liability insurance, however since I had a 1M personal umbrella policy that this covered up to 5 rental units as well. He ensured that the house would be covered for the $150K amount if it was burned down and that I would not have to build back a 6 bedroom house in it's place.

Does anyone know what I'm getting into and what do I need to do to get properly insured in case of an extreme accident? Something just doesn't add up here and I'm sure people insure $50K buildings all of the time.

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Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2008 · 153 posts · 81 votes
12y

Coverage at RC (Replacement Cost---gives you the ability to recoup the initial depreciation that is levied against the settlement by simply completing the repairs) that waives any co-insurance requirement may be the best of both/all options, too. There are carriers/Programs that offer this, but not all agents have access to them.

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  • Real Estate Coach · Venice Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    Sounds like it worked out right. That umbrella policy is what will cover you against lawsuits and liability stuff, and then the normal insurance will cover a fire or something. Not sure on the ARV amount though effecting the coverage.

  • Investor · Appleton, WI · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 464 votes
    12y

    I think you should be fine with the way it was set up however I would look into a local insurance broker. An insurance broker will be able to work with companies that specialize in rental properties and the appropriate insurance that they require. Different insurance companies focus on different types of properties. For example only certain companies offer insurance for unoccupied house that you are flipping and I want to work with one that does specialize in that. Same with rental properties. My insurance broker is a wealth of knowledge that allows me to get all my questions answered and handles all the insurance headaches that can come.

  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2008 · 153 posts · 81 votes
    12y

    Coverage at RC (Replacement Cost---gives you the ability to recoup the initial depreciation that is levied against the settlement by simply completing the repairs) that waives any co-insurance requirement may be the best of both/all options, too. There are carriers/Programs that offer this, but not all agents have access to them.

  • Accountant, Enrolled Agent · Grayslake, IL · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by Chris Heeren:
    I just recently bought my first rental property - a 3,100sqft duplex for $56K and had some questions while getting it insured. I went through American Family since all my person insurance is through this company and they said that the Actual Replacement Value would be $310,000 based on square footage. I told them that was silly and wanted to only insure it for $80,000 (The value it appraised for). They told me it was a catch 22 scenario where they could not physically insure the place for the ARV as this was more than twice the purchase price, however they also couldn't insure it for $80,000 as this was too far below the ARV value? They came up with insuring the property (land) itself for $150,000 for about $200/yr (I see most people pay around $800 per year) And that this did not include liability insurance, however since I had a 1M personal umbrella policy that this covered up to 5 rental units as well. He ensured that the house would be covered for the $150K amount if it was burned down and that I would not have to build back a 6 bedroom house in it's place.
    Does anyone know what I'm getting into and what do I need to do to get properly insured in case of an extreme accident? Something just doesn't add up here and I'm sure people insure $50K buildings all of the time.

    @Chris Heeren ,

    I don't think you are covered. An umbrella is liability only. It does not cover the structure. That policy will cover you for liability, someone falls, trips, etc. It WILL NOT cover the structure if it burns down.

    Sounds to me like you need to speak to a knowledgeable insurance broker to figure out your needs.

  • Detroit, MI · Member since 2009 · 114 posts · 40 votes
    12y

    You need to check your umbrella. It probably requires your rental properties to be insured at $300,000 of liability or your umbrella will not cover you. The umbrella extends your coverage above a certain amount. If you dont have liability, the umbrella will not pay in the event of a claim.

    Also you can buy a $80,000 policy with a repair cost or a functional modified replacement cost policy just not through American Family.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    12y

    I'm with @Steven Hamilton II , @Donald Stevens

    You said the insurance you were buying was for the lot (land only)---did you mean structure only with no liability? Find a new agent.

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