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All Forum Posts by: Alex Longinidis

Alex Longinidis has started 6 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: My First Deal!

Alex Longinidis
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $275,000
Cash invested: $57,000

Link to the post-completion post here:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/1243638-first-rental-property-success

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Thought I was moving out to Ohio, ended up just turning it into a rental property.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

My parents actually considered buying it first, they backed out, I ran the numbers and found that it seemed to work for several different exit options, and put in an offer. Negotiated through an agent using items found in the home inspection as well as local comps.

How did you finance this deal?

Loan from family.

How did you add value to the deal?

Rehabbed all units.

What was the outcome?

All units rented for a +$200/mo. cashflow. Not a home run, but we're in the black.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Lessons learned summarized in a post here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/1243638-first-rental-property-success

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Yes. Agent and PM.

Post: First Rental Property - Success?

Alex Longinidis
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11

Hey @Drew Sygit!  Thank you for your repsonse!

Yeah lessons have been learned, grateful for the experience so far.  Property is probably a class B.  Neighborhood seems good from what I've seen, the neighbors have been very kind and it's mostly quiet.  

Well received on the info!  Appreciate you taking the time to pass it down, seems logical.  Kind of a "know your audience" concept.  I think I lucked out with a PM who knows what he's doing and is a good fit for this class of property.  

Not sure when we'll be buying the next, would like to get a property in the MA area next, somewhere closer to home that I can househack, but the market here is expensive so might take awhile to save up for the next down payment.  Very excited for the next project though, and looking forward to using the pieces I learned from the first renovation when we do the next!

Post: First Rental Property - Success?

Alex Longinidis
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11

I've been dreaming of the day when I could finally make this post for several years now.  I started listening to BP while I was in college, and had analysis paralysis for several years afterwards.  Finally, circumstances in my life pushed me to take the leap and after fumbling through running the numbers while working on a ship out in Hawaii, and doing the most due diligence that I could remotely, I'm finally in the process of wrapping up my first rental property, a 3 unit house in Troy, OH.  

With my father's (a career house flipper) help, we closed on the house in 12/2024 and have been performing renovations/repairs and getting units rented since then.  I'm finally getting the last unit leased and handed off to property management and feel that I'm at a point where I can share a little about it.  I've attached my updated analysis for the property so you can see what we're currently working with.  It's not a home run, but it appears to be cash flow positive and so I'm grateful for that.  Here are some of the lessons I've learned so far.

Lessons Learned:

~Run the numbers more conservatively than you think. I ran my numbers pretty conservatively when calculating my offer, but wish I'd run them with even more margin.  I slightly overestimated the rents we could get (I'd asked around & estimated based on Zillow & other listing sites, etc) and slightly underestimated repair costs (some hidden expenses popped up), but luckily I had built enough margin into the purchase price that it still ended up being profitable, just less so than anticipated. I'd say I was about 80-90% accurate with my initial estimates before starting the project.  Even so, when things started going wrong with the property, it got expensive quick.  If my father hadn't been helping me with repairs and renovations, I think the project would've gone over budget. I believe we put probably $15-20K into the repairs and renovations based on credit card statements and a little extra for items put on my personal card (I should've kept closer track of the expenses during the project).  

~Learn your market as best as you can.  I have lived in MA my whole life.  The property I bought was in OH.  In my opinion, I got extremely lucky with how this worked out.  I thought I had an understanding of this market going into the deal, looking back I just had way more confidence in myself than I should have.  Like I said I was definitely a little off in my estimates when it came to income and expenses.  I also didn't realize how slow the rental market could be during the winter months (when we closed) and the property sat vacant for about 4 months while my father and I were performing renovations on the apartments, which ended up working out since there were some big repairs that would have been problematic if the unit had been occupied (in my opinion anyway).  Luckily I budgeted enough cash in reserve that this didn't create an issue, but I was starting to sweat during the last couple months wondering whether I was in over my head. We've set up the leases so that they renew at the beginning of the spring/summer so as to hopefully avoid long term vacancies going forward.  It was very drastic the amount of applications that were coming in during the winter months compared to around April.   

~Consider buying closer to home next time.  Like I said, I bought in OH and I am from MA.  I had reasons for buying in OH (big consideration was that it was affordable compared to MA).  When I first bought the house, I planned on living out there and so I moved into one of the units.  I pretty quickly realized I didn't want to live so far from everything I'd ever known, and so it became a race to finish the project and move back.  My father still lived in MA though and therefore there was a lot of travelling involved so that he could help me.  When we started the project, it took us about 16 hours to drive one way.  The last drive we did took just over 13 hours.  We got good at travelling, and after a certain point it stopped seeming so daunting and just became a regular event.  Yes it definitely cost a good bit in time and gas for us to drive both ways fairly regularly, but I work on ships and have a good amount of free time and this was how we decided to work it this time.  Got to see a lot of the country this way and now I'm more familiar with I-70 & I-80 than I ever expected to be in my lifetime.  Overall I'm glad we did it this way so I could see that even though it had it's downsides and was miserable to do at some points, it could be done this way if necessary.  There are markets in MA with similar price points (Western MA/the Berkshires) and I will likely be looking into property out that way for my next investment.  I'm sure the 3 hour drive each way will be a welcome change.

~Set criteria for tenants and stick to it.  When I was struggling to find tenants during the winter months, I kept debating if I should ease up on the criteria (700 Credit Score, no criminal history, no eviction history, monthly income greater than 3x monthly rent, no smoking or pets) just to get someone in, but I kept hearing podcast episodes where folks would talk about doing exactly that and regretting it.  After discussing with the property manager and him suggested relaxing the criteria down to a 600 credit score, I met him halfway and settled on 650.  This seems to be the right fit for me and we've found good qualified people at this benchmark.  I'm sure good tenants are able to be found at lower criteria, but this is where we had the best balance with finding qualified folks and getting enough applications to have it be a little competitive.  


That about sums up my experience so far.  With the property manager handling everything on the ground and all the major renovations we had planned completed, I'm looking forward to checking in with the PM and monitoring the P/L statements at the end of each month.  If you have any advice, I'm more than happy to hear it.  This was my first investment, and obviously there's a lot to learn, but I'm happy with the way this has turned out overall.

Post: Dayton OH Property Management

Alex Longinidis
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11

Wanted to see who you ended up choosing and your reviews.  Currently have a property in Troy.

Post: Buying First House Hack

Alex Longinidis
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Cory King:

@Alex Longinidis congrats that's super exciting! I have a friend who runs a meetup over in Springfield, OH which is about 30 min away. Happy to connect y'all. 


 Cory! 

That would be excellent!  Would definitely love to connect!

Post: Buying First House Hack

Alex Longinidis
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Wale Lawal:

@Alex Longinidis

Prioritize immediate safety and mid-term needs for house repairs and upgrades. Modernize upstairs units for rental income and update as needed. Build a team with local contractors and use property management software. Create a digital folder for lease agreements and tenant records. Connect with investors, navigate Troy, and manage stress.

Good luck!


 Wale!  

I appreciate the advice!  Immediate safety will be addressed as soon as possible.  As far as "mid-term needs", did you have any specifically in mind?  Would love to get input as to how to do the repairs and upgrades efficiently.  

Will certainly be looking to build a team with the local contractors.  As far as property management goes, I figured it might be best (in my particular situation) to start with a property manager since I will be travelling for work for most of next year and it would be better to have someone local to handle things for me?  

Really grateful for the advice and support!  Thank you so much!

Post: Buying First House Hack

Alex Longinidis
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Jimmy Lieu:
Quote from @Alex Longinidis:

Hello!!

Long time lurker.  After many years of observing, I've finally got a house hack under contract.  What I found to be a solid 3 family in Troy, OH.  Had a home inspection done and found it needs some work (Roof will need to be replaced in the next few years, some of the electrical needs work, updating the 2 upstairs units, furnace replacement at some point, etc...).  

Will be moving to the area from Boston, MA.  I am very excited to finally be starting my house hacking journey.  Stressed with lots to figure out in terms of getting systems in place and making repairs with not much time to get everything done, but I'm confident in the deal.  

Would love to talk to anyone who is local to get a better feel for the area and have some folks to get advice from.  I've visited out there and thought it was a great little area (besides the train...) with a lot of potential.  

Also wondering if there are any Real Estate Meetups out that way?


Hi Alex, congratulations on this deal! You can try checking Facebook groups for real estate meetups in Troy. I was in the same boat when I moved from Portland OR to Columbus OH and started with a house hack so I understand the challenges of getting started with a new market. Happy to connect and answer any questions you may have.


 Jimmy!  

Thank you for the kind words, it's been an interesting experience so far.  Lots to do, I appreciate the support!  I'll send you a connection request!

Post: Buying First House Hack

Alex Longinidis
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Remington Lyman:
Quote from @Alex Longinidis:

Hello!!

Long time lurker.  After many years of observing, I've finally got a house hack under contract.  What I found to be a solid 3 family in Troy, OH.  Had a home inspection done and found it needs some work (Roof will need to be replaced in the next few years, some of the electrical needs work, updating the 2 upstairs units, furnace replacement at some point, etc...).  

Will be moving to the area from Boston, MA.  I am very excited to finally be starting my house hacking journey.  Stressed with lots to figure out in terms of getting systems in place and making repairs with not much time to get everything done, but I'm confident in the deal.  

Would love to talk to anyone who is local to get a better feel for the area and have some folks to get advice from.  I've visited out there and thought it was a great little area (besides the train...) with a lot of potential.  

Also wondering if there are any Real Estate Meetups out that way?

Troy, Ohio is almost the opposite of Boston, MA in every way. Is there a specific reason you decided to move there? I assume it was for a job opportunity. I hope you enjoy small towns that lack diversity.

I am sure Dayton has some real estate meetups. Just check Facebook, meetup.com, and eventbright


 Definitely seems to be the opposite of Boston so far.  I had some family move out here so I wanted to be closer to them, I work as a mate on ships so as long as I'm close to the airport I can get to work.  

Will be looking into the meetups.  In the process of trying to find a property manager right now, but perhaps those will be good spots to find one.  

Post: Buying First House Hack

Alex Longinidis
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @Alex Longinidis:

@Jonathan Greene Thank you for taking the time to respond!!


Yeah there are several big items!  Everything seems to work as is for the time being, but I'm budgeting for the roof and furnace replacement in the near future.  First floor has a newer furnace (2016), two units upstairs share one furnace.  The upstairs furnace is from 1982 according to the home inspector, this is the one that will need to be replaced.  The standing plan is to put in mini splits in each unit once the existing furnace finally dies.  

Yes, estimated about $30-35K in repairs and negotiated that into the purchase price as best as I could.  All will be delivered vacant, apparently I missed the piece in my offer that allows the seller to stay in the unit up to 7 days after closing...  Hoping to place tenants on the first floor as close to move in as possible (1st floor unit is modern and doesn't need any work), then quickly make the repairs on the 1 bedroom unit to update and turn into a 2 bedroom and get that rented as soon as that is done.  

Third unit is a studio/efficiency that I will live in.  Needs a huge remodel (they put the shower in the living room, and you can't open the oven all the way in the kitchen, absolutely ridiculous).

I did check the events and meetups category, couldn't find anything nearby.  I'll check on meetup.com as well, I know sometimes they post meetups on there!


You've definitely done your due diligence on this so I have a feeling you will find long-term success here. Just know that some more bumps will come, they always do. If you have budgeted that way, you should be ok. This was hilarious and reminds me of a NYC apartment, not a multi in Ohio - (they put the shower in the living room, and you can't open the oven all the way in the kitchen, absolutely ridiculous).

I will look on a map to see where Troy is and see if there are any meetups near you.

Thank you, tried to do as much research and legwork as I could before the deal as possible.  I think there's a fair amount of play in the budget for what needs to be done.  

But yeah the studio apartment is an absurd layout, I was blown away when I saw it in person.  

Post: Property Managers - Dayton Ohio

Alex Longinidis
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Fairhaven, MA
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 11

Looking for a property manager in the Troy, OH area.  Hoping to speak to any of you that have experience with the local PM's.