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Post: Wondering if I should go ahead with a sale

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Do not misstate the sale price, that is almost certainly illegal! I am not an attorney so you can take that with a grain of salt. I would never sign a document that says something different than what the truth is. If your buyer doesn't want the purchase price recorded then you can quit claim the property into an LLC and then sell the LLC, any real estate attorney should be able to help you do this properly.
Good luck!
Post: Noob question: Ok to buy negative cash flow but build equity?

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I guess what I'm missing is why are you fighting to justify negative cashflow when (according to some of the California crowd that is commenting) you can find something close enough to home that is at least cashflow neutral while building equity? Unless you are prospecting in a gentrifying neighborhood then your upside is WAY down the road but what happens if you chose wrong and the area goes south, or California passes an ordinance that inhibits your value. This doesn't seem like a good way to limit down side risk.
Originally posted by @Mark Kohn:
Hi all,
Thanks for the responses and warm welcome to the forum- really appreciate you all providing your insight into my question.
A couple have mentioned that you shouldn't buy a cash flow negative property because it will be a challenge when you need a new roof, have a vacancy or have a maintenance issue. Isn't that all typically accounted for in the property analysis and built into your rental price (I have been using 5% vacancy, 5% maintenance/repairs, etc in my analyses)- is there something else that I am missing here?
If I can't cash flow, why isn't there value in buying an asset with someone else building your equity for you? Quick math on a 400k SFH with 20% down, the principal would be paid down about 5600 in year 1 and 5800 in year 2, etc. I get that this is overly simplistic, but if I'm out of pocket $200/month to get $466/mo in equity thats not horrible, understand this is not liquid and if the cash is important then this is not ideal.
Again, I'm coming at this as a way to build long term wealth in addition to day job and not necessarily looking at BRRR to multiple properties etc. Between deductions and appreciation it seems at least in certain markets, you don't need to cash flow to have a nice real estate ROI and build wealth. Thanks again for your thoughts!
Post: Rental Investments in Jamestown NY

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Another consideration is that secondary markets get hit harder by drops in employment and they take longer to build back up. If they are already at 16% vacancy now then I would be worried what it would look like after an eviction moratorium is lifted.
Post: Getting a loan out of state?

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What your looking for is theoretically possible but keep in mind that there are other costs. You could be looking at 5k + in closing costs just to get the property. Also you will need some money for initial repairs, possible initial vacancy, and general reserves. If the property looks really clean then ~5k in reserves would be sensible. You won’t have any equity in the home to use in case of emergency for a few years so you need to have the funds to cover the unexpected.
Last thing is that most lenders I have spoken to are at 25% down on rental homes right now. If you have someone at 20% let me know.
Post: Local Bank recommendations in Cleveland

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Although the tech is better with the bigger banks I have appreciated the customer service of some of the smaller brokers/banks. Also as your portfolio grows and you want to get into some commercial lending products, that’s where the small banks will really shine in my opinion. If you just plan to have one to three properties it shouldn’t make much of a difference.
Post: Diversifying in multiple OOS markets or invest in only one area?

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Hi @Julio Silva,
If you are in Ohio you should check out Cleveland. The properties here have a lower entry price point than some other markets and produce good cash flow. There are parts of town to avoid but several of the suburbs have very strong rental markets.
Post: How old is too old when the COC is over 12%

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There are many homes that are older and have been kept in great shape and they are not money pits. There are many that need to be demolished and there is no profitable way to bring them back to life. Getting a home inspection will help you look into those items and you can ask the inspector to try to point out some of those items and give you an idea of cost or longevity. Also make sure to budget for some preventative maintenance (this isn't just for older homes), driveways, roofs, hot water heaters, furnaces, and AC's all go bad even in much newer homes. You can have the sewer reviewed with a camera that will give you insight on one of the more costly plumbing repairs. Also focus on masonry, it gets very expensive and there is no return on investment, driveways, steps, and tuck pointing are the big items for this. With proper due diligence buying older should not be a problem.
Post: Best markets to create passive income?

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I have been very successful with cash flowing properties that average over 10% in the stable areas of the Cleveland suburbs. If the COC is too high then you have to watch out, it is probably too good to be true. I think there are several areas in Cleveland that can provide very good long term returns but it really depends on they types of properties you want to invest in and the amount of capital you have available.
Post: Seller Finance in Cleveland ?

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I highly doubt it, with properties getting top dollar prices and cash offers there isn’t much incentive for a seller financed deal.
Post: Thoughts on Cleveland Investing

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Hi Bob,
I would just like to reiterate that in many cases you can buy a property that looks good on paper but has such large outstanding repairs that the amount of time it would take to recoup the expense that it doesn't make sense. Many of these houses need to be demolished as there is no reasonable route to bringing them up to standard. Also finding qualified tenants for those units can be difficult for those types of properties. We do screen Section 8 tenants and make sure that they still meet our overall criteria even if there is guaranteed rental income, Section 8 will not pay for damages and if someone falls off of section 8 you still have to deal with them as a cash paying renter.