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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 18 posts and replied 1513 times.

Post: How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?

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 Because I legitimately want to understand the way investors and landlords think. Why they behave the way they do. And to learn little tricks and things they do so I can look out for them when renting in the future. And to provide a renters point of view. 
I do not have an exaggerated sense of entitlement. Forgive me but I am on the spectrum and my mind works differently and views things in a different way than most people. 
it just seems inherently wrong that people who are only interested in getting richer have so much control over the day to day lives of people. That at any moment they can decide to force a person into the street and feel nothing at all about it. That they can ruin a persons name and credit, and blacklist them so they can’t find anywhere else to live, eventually just furthering the cycle of homelessness, poverty, death. 

Wow, so many wrong assumptions in one paragraph. First every business is interested in making money. Including more essential ones like doctors. Thats the system we live in and singling out any one business (rental property) doesn't make sense. As for "getting richer" the average net return on a rental property is only about 5%. Secondly we can't force anyone out into the street. There is a process and there has to be a reason. There are courts and laws. Third, yes, we can report on credit etc and other landlords will rightly not want to take a risk on such people and get stiffed. But meanwhile a tenant gets to occupy and control a property worth hundreds of thousands and do whatever they like to it while they live there. Shouldnt the owner of the property be compensated for that risk? As someone who has had property trashed by bad tenants I can tell you the risk is very real.

Post: How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Maybe because people are starting to understand that there really is something fundamentally immoral and wrong with a system that allows a small group of people who either have tons of extra money or are able to get approved for multiple mortgages to hoard extra property then charge people for a basic human necessity, sticking them in a position of essentially modern peasant who will then almost certainly never be able to save up enough to buy their own home and build equity and enjoy the stability homeownership brings s it stands now, millions of people are stuck in a cycle of paying someone else’s bills and never getting to enjoy any of the benefits of owning a home. Banks make the requirements for a home loan so stringent at times that many people can’t get approved but they are paying more in rent than they would be with a mortgage. All to pay for someone else to have extra homes they don’t need. Or worse. To literally just make the owner even richer for the ones who are. Shelter is a basic human need. It should be an investment for someone to not have to work. 
when people are seeing apartment complexes sending cruel and tone deaf eviction notices and not repairing issues during a global pandemic and young kids in their 20s whose rich parents give them money all the time buying apartment building and rental houses to kick the people out and raise the rents, while evicting people who are a day late and being entitled little d bags about it then yeah. Normal polite Society generally is going to have some issues with that. 

Umm, can you please explain how landlords can easily get multiple mortgages at the same time banks are making requirements for a home loan so stringent nobody can buy one? Both at the same time?

Stringent for the average American. Landlords get special consideration by the banks because they know landlords will pass the mortgage costs along to the renters. And they go into banks and apply for loans usually with quite a bit of money already stashed away. 
banks are more interested in lending to investors that are in it for profit rather than the average American who may end up out of work and who won’t bring in endless money.

Source: I worked in banking for four years and still know many who do.  This was absolutely the way they pushed us to think when I was a personal banker and it’s how they push the mortgage bankers I know  

Actually terms for mortgages for rental properties are always more stringent than owner occupied loans. For example you can get a FHA loan as a owner occupant at 5% down. Most all rental property loans are 20% and often 25% down. Also interest rate on rentals are typically at least 0.5% to 1% or more higher than owner occupied properties. I think a more likely explanation is that landlords tend to have better credit because it is the lifeblood of an investor. While the average consumer is irresponsible with their credit and finds it harder to get a loan. I don't really think that investors drive market values of Single Family homes in any meaningful way.

The problem in the US generally is lack of wage growth. That is why I fully support the $15 minimum wage push. And unionization and policies in general that help people earn more money. 

Post: How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?

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Originally posted by @Greg Powers:

@Nathan G.

My kids, who are in their 20s and very progressive, almost fell over backwards with shock and shame when I told them I was planning to become a landlord. I said, “Well, consider a world without landlords. You’d either be living at home forever or under a bridge.” I suspect they would choose the bridge. :)

My daughter has the same sentiments. I told her in that case I can feel free to change my trust to move all the real estate assets to charity after I die. :-)

But to be fair, you should be idealistic in your 20s. Its where you develop a heart and conscience that then slowly gets eroded by age and cynicism. 

Post: How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Maybe because people are starting to understand that there really is something fundamentally immoral and wrong with a system that allows a small group of people who either have tons of extra money or are able to get approved for multiple mortgages to hoard extra property then charge people for a basic human necessity, sticking them in a position of essentially modern peasant who will then almost certainly never be able to save up enough to buy their own home and build equity and enjoy the stability homeownership brings s it stands now, millions of people are stuck in a cycle of paying someone else’s bills and never getting to enjoy any of the benefits of owning a home. Banks make the requirements for a home loan so stringent at times that many people can’t get approved but they are paying more in rent than they would be with a mortgage. All to pay for someone else to have extra homes they don’t need. Or worse. To literally just make the owner even richer for the ones who are. Shelter is a basic human need. It should be an investment for someone to not have to work. 
when people are seeing apartment complexes sending cruel and tone deaf eviction notices and not repairing issues during a global pandemic and young kids in their 20s whose rich parents give them money all the time buying apartment building and rental houses to kick the people out and raise the rents, while evicting people who are a day late and being entitled little d bags about it then yeah. Normal polite Society generally is going to have some issues with that. 

Umm, can you please explain how landlords can easily get multiple mortgages at the same time banks are making requirements for a home loan so stringent nobody can buy one? Both at the same time?

Post: How are you doing with your rentals? Happy your still a landlord?

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Yes and no. Happy with my Bay Area property which is providing high steady ongoing cashflow to fund a good portion of my monthly spend. But for out of state, while its been profitable I can't shake the feeling of one bad tenant away from disaster. Just had my first post covid eviction, I was surprised how quick we got the possession order. On the other hand last year and this year I had two exits from apartment syndications that returned 15% IRR each with no effort at all from my part. And a hard money fund that returns 10% quarterly without me looking at it. I just agreed to a private hard money deal that should generate 14% over the next year as well and if these guys are good that money can be rolled. So for a $/effort ratio land lording isn't the best for me.

Also having recently "retired" the tax advantages are less as I have dropped myself into a much lower tax bracket than I used to be. So one of the big benefits of owning rentals has been reduced.

Post: PM/Relator Recommendation in San Jose

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My tenant in my town house in Campbell got a new job and wants to break lease and move. He will be responsible for the lease until I re lease it but I want to make every effort to do so quickly. Any recommendation for a PM/agent who would be able to list the property? I don't need ongoing management, just someone to list and lease it. I will charge the current tenant the marketing costs.

Post: Guaranteed 21% Annual Appreciation? Columbus, Oh?...where else?

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If your market can guarantee 21% for the next 5 years Ill make a deal with you. I will give you one million dollars and ask for a guaranteed 15% return. You can keep the difference. I will need collateral equal to $1m for the loan but since your returns are "guaranteed" you should have no problem with that right?

Post: Removing Long Term Older Inherited Tenants

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Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Its stories like this that give landlords the bad rap and have people with pitchforks coming for us. You can try to make yourself feel as good about yourself as you like. But you know that two elderly women living on a fixed income can't afford much higher rent. You knew that when you bought the building and probably got a good deal on it as a result. Your entire plan for making a killing rests on evicting these women and raising the rent to market rates. You also know that they will be unable to find equivalent housing elsewhere at a similar price. Now none of this is technically your problem but you became responsible when you bought the place. Do whatever lets you sleep at night but I don't think you can come out smelling like roses if you make them leave.

How would any business survive with that mindset? Are you honestly claiming that anyone buying the property should have to honor the price offered 30 years ago until these ladies eventually pass away? If you bought bacon for $2.21 a pound in 1990, should the grocer be required to honor that price today just because you're 65 and on oxygen? No, bacon prices have gone up to $5.62 a pound and you can either accept that or stop eating bacon.

Do you think he's buying this property for the same price it sold for 30 years ago? Do you think taxes and insurance costs are the same as they were 30 years ago? What about the price of replacement appliances? Flooring? Paint? Doorknobs? Lawn care?

For whatever reason, the previous owner failed to raise rents to keep up with the increased cost of living. These women should be grateful for paying so little over the years. Now the rent is going to catch up with reality and they'll have to adjust, just like most renters have adjusted over the past 30 years. That's the fault of the renters and the market, not the young investor trying to make a better life for himself and his family.

OK so lets take your argument to the extreme. Lets say I raise a bunch of money with the explicit business model of buying up properties with under market rents populated mostly by elderly people on fixed income. I get these at a discount (because cap rate is high) and promptly evict all the tenants and raise rents. Legal yes. But does it sound like the best way to make money? There are a lot of other ways to make money that is less predatory. The problem with America is that people believe anything legal and profitable is okay. Hence gun makers, tobacco companies, polluting energy companies all make legal profits at the expense of society, the environment and the general public. I would not invest in any of the above nor would I do predatory investing. You are of course free to make your own decisions about your life and the impact you wish to leave in the world.

Post: Removing Long Term Older Inherited Tenants

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Its stories like this that give landlords the bad rap and have people with pitchforks coming for us. You can try to make yourself feel as good about yourself as you like. But you know that two elderly women living on a fixed income can't afford much higher rent. You knew that when you bought the building and probably got a good deal on it as a result. Your entire plan for making a killing rests on evicting these women and raising the rent to market rates. You also know that they will be unable to find equivalent housing elsewhere at a similar price. Now none of this is technically your problem but you became responsible when you bought the place. Do whatever lets you sleep at night but I don't think you can come out smelling like roses if you make them leave.

Post: When someone asks you to add 48 + 27, what happens in your head?

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I add 7+8 =15 and 40+20=60 and 60+15=75. Or I think "where's my phone?". :-)