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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Connell

Patrick Connell has started 10 posts and replied 315 times.

Post: Warning Texas Brokers and Agents - Realtors

Patrick ConnellPosted
  • REALTOR®
  • Bastrop, TX
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 191

@Wayne Brooks we could probably show the same statue, or any statute, to 10 different lawyers and get 4-5 different opinions on the matter.

I'm simply providing it as a warning to those who it may affect. If they choose to interpret it as you do and end up in front of a judge someday, then we will know the answer, possibly.

Any Texas Brokers or RE Educators have an opinion on it?

Post: Who do you think will win: Zillow, Trulia, or ????

Patrick ConnellPosted
  • REALTOR®
  • Bastrop, TX
  • Posts 324
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John Rooster I disagree. There is nothing to support that Zillow, et al sells homes faster or for a better price. While it is true that a large majority of home buyers start their search online, a large majority still use an agent when purchasing. Any agent will have access to the local MLS and therefore the home. There are some agents with such a vast network they sell the home before even hitting the MLS.

Post: Warning Texas Brokers and Agents - Realtors

Patrick ConnellPosted
  • REALTOR®
  • Bastrop, TX
  • Posts 324
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@Matt Devincenzo I don't disagree with you.

However, after some personal conversations with the presenter, knowledge of her background, and some other factors, I trust her when she says she's had at length conversations with TREC Legal who interprets it a different way and inserted it into the code for that specific reason.

Also, this is just how you're suppose to do things. If someone doesn't and they never have an issue, then no one will ever know. But that one time....!

Post: Warning Texas Brokers and Agents - Realtors

Patrick ConnellPosted
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  • Bastrop, TX
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Originally posted by @Ed Wood:

I think this is part of it.

It's very much about consumer protection. I realize there may be some differences of opinion on represented sellers, but no one can argue the potential for predatory purchasing on a FSBO property.

Post: Warning Texas Brokers and Agents - Realtors

Patrick ConnellPosted
  • REALTOR®
  • Bastrop, TX
  • Posts 324
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Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:
I fully understand what you and Bill are saying. I was basing my opinion on the quoted language you provided, which I still interpret the same way. Especially after following your link, and I see the paragraph quoted above, 535.16(C), is under 535.16 Listings; Net Listings. Which is referring to Listings, and Net Listings, and as the statutes said "as a result of making contact as an agent", not as an investor. And when the property is listed by another broker, I can't imagine how one could read this that way.

The instructor is well connected and has been around for a long time, I trust the information when she says she's gotten it directly from TREC Legal Counsel.

Also, you have to remember that a judge will sometimes look at the intent of the law versus how it's specifically written. Of course, they'll also rule on feelings sometimes LOL.

Additionally, the broader category that the Rule falls under is Licensee Responsibilities.

Post: Who do you think will win: Zillow, Trulia, or ????

Patrick ConnellPosted
  • REALTOR®
  • Bastrop, TX
  • Posts 324
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Originally posted by @John Rooster:
Originally posted by @Joe Delia:
Originally posted by @John Rooster:

Not only is a doable its being done already.

If there is a metro area that Zillow and Trulia can not service because they are being stonewalled by the local MLS please name it. I would like to research this more.

Austin, starting May 1.

A piece of a newsletter sent out a month ago from ABOR:

"Last week, the ABoR Board of Directors voted to return decisions regarding listings syndication to brokers by agreeing to terminate ABoR’s relationship with ListHub after April 30, 2014, and stated its intention to cease facilitating the syndication of members’ listing data to non-REALTOR® consumer websites. After April 30, 2014, brokers will choose independently whether to provide data to non-REALTOR® consumer websites on a case-by-case basis as dictated by clients’ and agents’ best interests."

Post: Who do you think will win: Zillow, Trulia, or ????

Patrick ConnellPosted
  • REALTOR®
  • Bastrop, TX
  • Posts 324
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Originally posted by @John Rooster:
Originally posted by @Patrick Connell:

Well, what do you think of the various opinions you've gotten so far?

My overall long term view point has not changed. From my view point, the only two serious players in the market are Trulia and Zillow. I think they are both fairly valued relative to each other, and would buy similar amounts of each. I would bet that one will buy out the other in the next couple years. I think the entire internet stock sector is set for a pullback, and will wait for said pullback before buying.

Solid Strategy.

Post: Who do you think will win: Zillow, Trulia, or ????

Patrick ConnellPosted
  • REALTOR®
  • Bastrop, TX
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 191
Originally posted by @John Rooster:
Originally posted by @Bryan L.:
@John Rooster - It has already begun. There are some MLSes who have already stopped sending data to zillow et al. And many others who are considering it. And many brokers as well (both large and small). There will be a big fight over this. I wouldn't buy their stock (or trulia's).

I understand that an agent can technically not check the box that forwards the listing to Zillow/Trulia/et al, BUT that seems to me to be a violation of the agent's duty to their client. In almost all situations, the client is best served by having the listing forwarded to other data bases, imo any agent that does not check that box (without the express consent of the client) is violating their Realtor duty to their client.

John,

Bryan wasn't referencing individual agents, what he meant by "MLS's" is the individual REALTOR Boards and managing MLS companies. For example, in Austin, I am about to lose the ability to even select whether or not I want to syndicate the listing. This has nothing to do with the individual agents and has everything to do with the MLS System disallowing syndication.

Also, the most important part of doing comparables is the price the property sold for. This data has never, to my knowledge, been syndicated to the other companies, only the initial listings. That's one of the reasons they're horrible for comps because they do a lot of guessing or using unreliable databases; i.e. tax rolls.

Post: Warning Texas Brokers and Agents - Realtors

Patrick ConnellPosted
  • REALTOR®
  • Bastrop, TX
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 191
Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:
Maybe, I think that was this person's conservative interpretation. Otherwise I think the law would have simply said "a licensee", not "as a result of contact made while acting as a real estate agent".

Also, I can't see how this would apply when the property is listed with another agent, since You would not be in contact with the seller, and there could be no possible misinterpretation that you were representing the seller.

Just my .02.

Wayne,

I posted the TREC Rule as it's written, not my interpretation; here's a link for your review TREC Rules.

It has nothing to do with representing anyone. The rule is written to protect consumers, whether they are represented by an agent or not. Obviously if it was listed by an agent you wouldn't have contact, but what about FSBO or properties you acquire through Direct mail? The best solution I can think of is to just attach it to your offer when you send it over.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but it is what it is.

Post: Warning Texas Brokers and Agents - Realtors

Patrick ConnellPosted
  • REALTOR®
  • Bastrop, TX
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 191
Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:
Wayne, Patrick is correct as a licensee is held to a higher standard of care in dealing with the public, they are seen (blindly in some cases LOL) as having greater knowledge and dealing from an advantageous position, it's viewed that way in all states but rules vary. :)

Yes, blindly indeed LOL. Unfortunately, it's the "knowledgeable" ones that give us a bad name most of the time :-)