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All Forum Posts by: Michael L.

Michael L. has started 3 posts and replied 149 times.

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Brandon Griffin:

Good to know.  I'm very interested in that market.  It's just a matter of, can I do a rehab for less than them?  And the answer is probably no.  How was there inspection report for the tenant that moved out?  I noticed they had a youtube page of inspections.  Is one of those yours?

 I have not had a move out yet.  That's not my youtube page, but would be interested in seeing what you're referring to.

I did have a CHA inspection (annual) that cost $200 per unit.  Ended up with a few hundred bucks in costs for minor repairs and painting.

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Brandon Griffin:

Great information here!

I'm a newbie and actually grew up in some of these areas that Elite and PFR operate in.  Rough is an understatement and I would not bet on appreciation in any of these areas.

I've been vetting PRF for a few weeks and stumbled into this thread.  I'm a defense contractor and never around, so my PM is very important to me.  My first year of being a landlord was very similar to @Michael L..  Random charges and incomplete descriptions...  What ended up working for me was bypassing the accounts person and getting to know the maintenance manager.  Whenever he gets a call now, he shoots me an email with all of the details.  It works a lot better than the bean counters trying to explain something.  

Did you actually go to the properties during rehab?  What was your opinion of their construction crews?   I do feel that they are priced too high for the areas.  But like you said, "they pretty much set the market".  

 I don't count on appreciation at all, but if it happens, that'd be icing on the cake!  Lol, bean counters :).  Going directly to the maintenance mgr would save a couple of back and forths, but it hasn't been bad dealing with the Elite PM folks for me,

I visited several properties on my visit/tour.  I did not get to go inside the units I ended up going with, but the operations, quality, etc. seemed consistent throughout.  During my tour in 2014, Elite was still with PFR and the construction side was still being managed by the current PFR owner, Justin I believe.  I have no idea what Elite's construction folks are like these days.  Regarding the PFR crew, they seemed like the standard labors you'd see on any home remodel site.  There's limited crew managers, so it seemed like the folks working at each site weren't being supervised directly, so I did get a sense of some 'slacking'/slowness here and there.  I liked the system they had in place though...very organized with the punchlists, status on each address, etc.

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48

I received a great question from @Steven Kleppin about property taxes and wanted to respond in my 'blog'/thread.

The question was regarding the inventory list: "There's a tax listed which matches generally with Redfin. However, the assessed value of the property at that time was about $20k... Did your taxes jump significantly when the value of the house was increased?"

The answer is nope.  The property tax assessment is a little more complicated in Cook County, but you can find some info here: http://www.illinois-attorney.com/news/how-real-pro...

 But essentially, my taxes did not go up at all so far.  You can find the most recent assessed value on the Cook County's Assessor's website by entering the property PIN or address.  I used the original assessment to calculate the amount to depreciate on my taxes.

Formula looks something like this:

(My Purchase Price) * (Assessed Additions Value/Total Assessed Value) => Because you can't depreciate the land

You should do your own due diligence with a tax pro, but that's how I've done it so far.

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Momk M.:
Originally posted by @JR Hinds:

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I've had the same experience as @Joe Chin. I wouldn't recommend Elite as a PM.

 I have purchased from Elite Invest and have had a positive experience. Alex is honest and upfront.  Feel free to PM me if you need more information. I may start a thread if anyone is interested.

Great to hear from you again Momk!  Did you go with the triplex?  How was the inspection/initial process?  Would love to see the numbers on a triplex, since those are more 'rare' (esp. newer construction multis).

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Souji Kumar:

@Michael L.

I have another question. Has there been any increase in the rent in 2016 compared to when you started. Thanks

Souji

 Hi Souji,

I've only had one renewal come up on one of my duplexes.  The rate were not increased on one unit, while the other unit had a $19/mo increase.  The unit with the increase is 100% subsidized by CHA. Hope that helps.

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Joe Chin:

Regarding the washer/dryer charge, they will be refunding me the cost. This should have been completed as part of rehab. Despite the PM communication issues, they have always treated me fairly and run the business with integrity. 

 Thanks for the update Joe!  Glad to see that paid for that...now to make AppFolio more useful...

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Johnson H.:

@Michael L. - Thank you for sharing your turnkey out of state investing experience with all of us. Reading though your thread, I can see some similarities with my investing experience. I have been investing in Phoenix since 2010 without a turnkey provider but with a property manager. Reporting can sometimes be iffy by the PM and sometimes need clarification on issues. In addition, repairs will always come up, I've had to replace four AC's and a roof since I've started investing. There have been many minor items like a dishwasher that seems to always back up, leaking water pipe underground, garage door issues, etc. I have five properties with the same PM, so I would think he takes care of me a little bit better than most and especially this year since I am selling a few of them, he wants that commission check :)

An out of state investor must realize that no one will take care the property as good as yourself. You wont always know everything that is going on with the property until later on. Also, if you only have one property with the PM, do you really think the PM will give you the royal treatment versus other investors with multiple properties? Being PM is not an easy job, if you get paid 7-10% a month on $1000 rent, the time spent on the property will be limited. 

That said, investing out of state has still been fruitful for me but new investors looking into investing out of state need to have their eyes wide open going in, its not as passive as you think it will be. 

Your reply is on point!

With Elite in particular, I know they have many clients with many more properties than myself, but they've never made me feel like a 'small fish', which is pretty cool.  In the last year or so, I've seen a few articles on Alex raising tons of money for more Chicago projects.  You can find more info on Elite here: https://www.facebook.com/EliteInvestLLC/

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Souji Kumar:

@Michael L. thank you very much for sharing your experience very useful. Just signed up for 2 properties with elite which per them will be delivered in June-July. I have heard that their delivery is longer than anticipated. Could you please share your inspection office details. Could you also share how has it been the cash flow with your 2nd property. This is my first investment. Do you suggest anything in particular I need to do before closing. All your help is highly appreciated for newbies like me. Thank you so much.

It'll vary from property to property, but a 2-3 delay in closing seems typical.  In my inspections, there were a few items that needed fixing, so I had a re-inspection to verify.

I'll PM you with my recommended inspector.

As a newbie, I was full of nerves and worries...this is expected I presume.  Alex and his team have been really professional and despite some hiccups here and there, they'll always put in the effort and are genuinely good people.  

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Souji Kumar:

@Michael L. Could you share the appraised value for the property. Thank yoy

 Hi Souji,

The appraised value on both properties came it as the purchase price.  I think it was mentioned previously, but because all the comps in the area are other turnkeys sold by Elite/PFR, they essentially set the market.  The other sales in the area are not used in the comps because they are likely distressed sales.  Also, the appraisal factors in the expected rent as well.  

Hope this helps!

Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

Michael L.Posted
  • Investor
  • East Bay, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @JR Hinds:

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I've had the same experience as @Joe Chin. I wouldn't recommend Elite as a PM.

Hi JR, would you mind elaborating on your experience?  Elite is the only turnkey/PM that I've had first hand experience with.  Have you worked with others?  How does it compare?

Also, I don't consider it hijacking...the more input the better.