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Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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Just noticed my property tax for Duplex#1 jumped significantly this year. Anyone else experience this to?
2015: 2/2 - $1,111; 7/10 - $961
2016: 2/3 - $1,140; 7/13 - $1,595
No exemptions in either year. My escrow balance is now negative as well, which is concerning as well.
Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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Originally posted by @Souji Kumar:
Hello Michael, thanks for the update. Hope you tenant pays the rent soon.
started process for closing my first property. Could you share the details of the insurance agent you used for the investment properties? Thanks in advance
PM'ed you my contact.
Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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Originally posted by @Stan Chin:
@Michael L. How will the PM handle the $900 due from the renters? At what point would there be an eviction? Do you or the PM get to keep the late fees?
Hi Stan, the tenants are sent notices at certain intervals, with 'elevating' urgency. As long as the tenant has the intention to pay and eventually keeps paying, I (and the PM it seems) do not have a problem. However, with this recent increase in the tenant portion, I will be monitoring it more closely and contact the PM if it gets out of hand. For this tenant specifically, I can see on their tenant page, they have called the PM to indicate they intend to pay on X date when they get their paycheck, or something similar.
With the late fees, the PM takes their 8%, and the owner receives the rest. I've never got to a point where I had to start the eviction process. Would be interested if other folks have had that experience.
Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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Originally posted by @Michael L.:
Quick update: noticed one of my tenant's rent portion jumped this month. It was originally $154 (CHA covering $931) and now it's $497 (CHA covering $588). That's a huge jump! These increases are typically due to a rise in income, so hopefully my tenant is prospering these days.
This tenant is one of the habitually late payers, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes moving forward.
Quick update on this...
The tenant is consistently late, but is making attempts to catch-up. For the 3 months the new split's been active, the tenant's paid $700, with about $900 still due (includes late fees). On a positive note, the other tenant that tends to be late has been on time lately :).
Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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Originally posted by @Gallagher Wilson:
@Michael L. Just read your whole thread. Thanks for posting the open-kimono version :) I've debating/researching turnkey's and this is a massively helpful write-up on what to expect diving into this. Maybe I missed it in there, what were your factors in considering Chicago? I keep hearing good things about Kansas City from turnkeys, but also see lots of Chicago area. If you have thoughts, I'd love to hear them!
Thanks for the feedback Gallagher! I just realized this thread is getting super long so hats off for going through the whole thing :) .
I explored some of the popular turnkey markets (Indy, KC, Memphis, Atl, Cincinnati), but I liked the allure of a major/global city like Chicago. The major factors were numbers and the operator. I explored a couple of operators in each city and Elite's (PFR back then) operations impressed me the most. Moving forward I'm open to other cities, just need to find a high quality provider I can trust there. One challenge I've seen is that once a high quality provider becomes better known, the profitability becomes less attractive. Elite's prices have been creeping up, but their numbers are still better than many other markets.
Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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So I folllowed up with the PM regarding the previously mentioned repairs. I green lighted the repairs, and they will come with a 6 month warranty. The Elite's crew will be performing the work but the PM did give the option to get outside quotes. After doing a quick search for costs on these type of jobs, their prices are more than fair.
As @Petra G. mentioned above, the steps deteriorating so quickly seemed suspect, but likely it wasn't redone during the rehab, which makes sense (a lot can happen with those Chicago winters) The PM's agreed to cover the costs of the steps, which is much appreciated. The hallway painting and gate are understandable as they likely see heavy use.
With rentals it's prudent to allocate ~10% for maintenance and 10% vacancies. I haven't checked my exact numbers on those items so far, but will try and post a detailed summary when I get a chance (vacancies have been $0 so far).
Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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Not the best email to kickoff the holiday weekend:
Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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- East Bay, CA
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Quick update: noticed one of my tenant's rent portion jumped this month. It was originally $154 (CHA covering $931) and now it's $497 (CHA covering $588). That's a huge jump! These increases are typically due to a rise in income, so hopefully my tenant is prospering these days.
This tenant is one of the habitually late payers, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes moving forward.
Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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Originally posted by @Brandon Griffin:
Originally posted by @Michael L.:
Originally posted by @Brandon Griffin:
Good to know. I'm very interested in that market. It's just a matter of, can I do a rehab for less than them? And the answer is probably no. How was there inspection report for the tenant that moved out? I noticed they had a youtube page of inspections. Is one of those yours?
I have not had a move out yet. That's not my youtube page, but would be interested in seeing what you're referring to.
I did have a CHA inspection (annual) that cost $200 per unit. Ended up with a few hundred bucks in costs for minor repairs and painting.
I was mistaken on the youtube page. It was Letts Property Management. PFR uses them. https://www.youtube.com/user/LettsPropertyMgmt
Why do you have to pay for the inspection? Or is that fee for the property manager to accompany the inspector?
Thanks
Whoa, those youtube videos are horrifying. I suppose its good they do that though.
The inspections I paid for around the 1 yr mark were CHA inspectors to verify the units are in acceptable condition. I'm assuming it'll be a recurring thing since CHA is footing most of the rent.
Post: Opening the Kimono: My Out-of-State REI Experience

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Originally posted by @David Fitch:
If you have a longer term outlook, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect appreciation in these areas - especially closer to the lake (e.g. South Shore, etc.). I lived in Chicago for years, and went to grad school at the University of Chicago in Hyde Park, so very familiar with the area.
If you look at the gentrification patterns over the last 20+ years, all other options have been exhausted. Lincoln Park and surrounding areas north of downtown are already old and overpriced - not an area you would buy, rehab, and make money. River North / Gold Coast - same thing. Expansion west over the last 10-15 years has already yielded Wicker Park, Bucktown, West Loop, etc. - all of which are now priced at the high end. Expansion NorthWest into Lincoln Square, etc. will continue, but will probably taper off as you get further and further from the lake. Expansion south started pretty heavily before the bust - into the South loop, as far as about 18th street, but dried up when the large scale investment dollars went away.
Given that you can't go further east because of the lake, and you can't really go north because that's all already expensive all the way to Evanston, and people won't keep going west when there is cheap RE along the lake going south, it seems likely that over maybe a 20 year horizon, the odds favor appreciation in this area. The south side was beautiful in the 50s (just drive down MLK and see some of those old mansions), and there's no reason it can't be again, particularly given the above constraints, and some of the large institutional projects coming in.
The Obama Library will be in that area, I think there is a large Whole Foods coming in, there is a 30 year $4B project to reshape the lake shore along the south side, etc. The indicators are all there. Obviously nothing is guaranteed - the state is borderline bankrupt, and there are plenty of other risks, but when compared to other risk / reward scenarios, I'm betting on this one.
Awesome perspective. I try to keep tabs on the Whole Foods, and I like what they're doing for the community. Both my properties aren't too far from it and also really close to the Aldi's, which was a factor in my selection.