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All Forum Posts by: Ben I.

Ben I. has started 6 posts and replied 95 times.

Post: Seller attempting to sue me for not buying property.

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52
Originally posted by @Tchaka Owen:
Originally posted by @Brie Schmidt:
Originally posted by @Ben I.:

I agree with Brie as far as involving your agent and broker. Also, a lot of people are all talk about suing...merely hoping to scare you. IF you are sure you followed your contract, you have nothing to worry about. Just let them know you'll countersue for fees (and maybe more). No matter how this goes, my strong recommendation is that you do not speak with the sellers attorney. Now, re-read that last sentence. There's nothing you will say to him/her that will help your case. You may think it will, but it won't. If they want to sue, let them. At that point you can involve an attorney. Until then, be cool. 

That last part: "Until then, be cool" is very hard to do. Maybe because this is the first time someone has threatened to sue me. I'm stressing out over here because I really don't want to deal with something like this. I guess even writing all of this isn't a good idea as all of this can be used by their lawyer. Maybe I need to call in a favor with some of the moderators to shut this down?

Post: Seller attempting to sue me for not buying property.

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52
Originally posted by @Brie Schmidt:
Originally posted by @Ben I.:
Originally posted by @Brie Schmidt:
Originally posted by @Ben I.:

I don't know how Chicago Operates, so @Brie Schmidt may have much more local information. 

In my experience fair and honest may (WILL) still find someone who disagrees with what you said unless you bend over and give them everything. Litigating is expensive and few are willing to do it. But offering the seller an opportunity to fix (or credit) is how it works in my area. If they disagree then fine we can cancel. But "generally" speaking a good faith offer means "giving them a chance to make it as you expected" and you "willing to look at what was offered". Just a cancel after they took it off the market makes the seller feel like you were not acting in good faith. 

Yours sounds extreme and may very well be. So your contract will dictate. In my experience if a buyer wants out at that stage then fair enough we go on. But contracts are very local.

I know Brie. She's awesome! I did some work for some of her clients.  I might even give her a call tomorrow about this. 


I completely understand what you are saying and you are right that you should be willing to buy when you put an offer. I definitely was willing to buy it. I'm not the type that even cares about most things because I know I can fix them and take care of them. It was when I was on the video call with the inspector and I saw water flowing out of the wall on a brand new remodel and the electricity being shut off that I had a gut feeling that I was being played, that something was fishy and hidden. Had they promised to make the repairs that concerned me using a qualified company, I still would have bought it. From my understanding, they mostly just said, spend more money to prove that the structure isn't good but it was evident the foundation is cracking. I am a licensed EIT with an emphasis in structural engineering so it was even more apparent what the issues were there. 

 This was WI right?  I am licensed there but only represented myself and haven't done a transaction there in years.  I wouldn't be the best person to talk to.  I would push back on your agent and involve their broker.  Have them walk you through the provision in the contract and explain it to you.  People say they are suing all the time.  That doesn't mean they will get far with it.  

 Yes, this is in Wisconsin. Sadly, the agents got out of this entire thing. It turns out that the sellers never actually had a signed contract with their agency. So the entire thing is off of the agents' table. Right now the seller has the house back on the market but is still pursuing a lawsuit. 

I mean your agent, they one that wrote the contract and negotiated the terms for you.  If they did it right you have nothing to worry about but I have had some serious issues of incompetence with WI agents.  It is their job to protect you so make sure they did, and involve their boss too  

 Got it. I believe he did well, but it definitely isn't a bad idea to have them dot their i and cross their t's as well. He definitely documented for me very well the dates he sent the letter with the issues, how many days they had to reply, how they needed to reply and how they failed to follow the proper procedures. I believe my agent is competent but I've been laying off of them because I really didn't believe the sellers would continue pursuing this after realizing nothing illegal took place. 

Post: Seller attempting to sue me for not buying property.

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52
Originally posted by @Brie Schmidt:
Originally posted by @Ben I.:
Originally posted by @Mike Cumbie:

Hi @Ben I.

I don't know how Chicago Operates, so @Brie Schmidt may have much more local information. 

In my experience fair and honest may (WILL) still find someone who disagrees with what you said unless you bend over and give them everything. Litigating is expensive and few are willing to do it. But offering the seller an opportunity to fix (or credit) is how it works in my area. If they disagree then fine we can cancel. But "generally" speaking a good faith offer means "giving them a chance to make it as you expected" and you "willing to look at what was offered". Just a cancel after they took it off the market makes the seller feel like you were not acting in good faith. 

Yours sounds extreme and may very well be. So your contract will dictate. In my experience if a buyer wants out at that stage then fair enough we go on. But contracts are very local.

I know Brie. She's awesome! I did some work for some of her clients.  I might even give her a call tomorrow about this. 


I completely understand what you are saying and you are right that you should be willing to buy when you put an offer. I definitely was willing to buy it. I'm not the type that even cares about most things because I know I can fix them and take care of them. It was when I was on the video call with the inspector and I saw water flowing out of the wall on a brand new remodel and the electricity being shut off that I had a gut feeling that I was being played, that something was fishy and hidden. Had they promised to make the repairs that concerned me using a qualified company, I still would have bought it. From my understanding, they mostly just said, spend more money to prove that the structure isn't good but it was evident the foundation is cracking. I am a licensed EIT with an emphasis in structural engineering so it was even more apparent what the issues were there. 

 This was WI right?  I am licensed there but only represented myself and haven't done a transaction there in years.  I wouldn't be the best person to talk to.  I would push back on your agent and involve their broker.  Have them walk you through the provision in the contract and explain it to you.  People say they are suing all the time.  That doesn't mean they will get far with it.  

 Yes, this is in Wisconsin. Sadly, the agents got out of this entire thing. It turns out that the sellers never actually had a signed contract with their agency. So the entire thing is off of the agents' table. Right now the seller has the house back on the market but is still pursuing a lawsuit. 

Post: Seller attempting to sue me for not buying property.

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52
Originally posted by @Vincent Incopero:

@Ben I. I would give an initial consultation for free or for a very fee depending on how much time I anticipated that consult taking. That being said, I cant speak to what another attorney would do. Best of luck. 

 Thank you, sir. I'll try calling some tomorrow. 

Post: Seller attempting to sue me for not buying property.

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52
Originally posted by @Vincent Incopero:

@Ben I. contact a WI Real Estate attorney that is familiar with the contracts that are used and the various clauses. 

This is a fact intensive situation and contract provision specific question that you are throwing out to the peanut gallery. 


IMHO - BP is like WebMD, that is, its a good starting point to get an idea of what is going on, but WebMD should never be relied upon or otherwise used as an alternative to the advice of a licensed medical professional. 

 do you know if lawyers will typically answer these types of questions without charging or do you pay even for asking these questions? 

Post: Seller attempting to sue me for not buying property.

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52
Originally posted by @Mike Cumbie:

Hi @Ben I.

I don't know how Chicago Operates, so @Brie Schmidt may have much more local information. 

In my experience fair and honest may (WILL) still find someone who disagrees with what you said unless you bend over and give them everything. Litigating is expensive and few are willing to do it. But offering the seller an opportunity to fix (or credit) is how it works in my area. If they disagree then fine we can cancel. But "generally" speaking a good faith offer means "giving them a chance to make it as you expected" and you "willing to look at what was offered". Just a cancel after they took it off the market makes the seller feel like you were not acting in good faith. 

Yours sounds extreme and may very well be. So your contract will dictate. In my experience if a buyer wants out at that stage then fair enough we go on. But contracts are very local.

I know Brie. She's awesome! I did some work for some of her clients.  I might even give her a call tomorrow about this. 


I completely understand what you are saying and you are right that you should be willing to buy when you put an offer. I definitely was willing to buy it. I'm not the type that even cares about most things because I know I can fix them and take care of them. It was when I was on the video call with the inspector and I saw water flowing out of the wall on a brand new remodel and the electricity being shut off that I had a gut feeling that I was being played, that something was fishy and hidden. Had they promised to make the repairs that concerned me using a qualified company, I still would have bought it. From my understanding, they mostly just said, spend more money to prove that the structure isn't good but it was evident the foundation is cracking. I am a licensed EIT with an emphasis in structural engineering so it was even more apparent what the issues were there. 

Post: Seller attempting to sue me for not buying property.

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52

Hiya all. Well here's my situation. 

I wanted to buy a second rental property after we moved to Hawaii for work and became bankable again. I was planning on using the HELOC money from our first rental as the downpayment. I found an agent here on BP from Wisconsin because I wouldn't buy in Hawaii and I wanted to get out of Illinois because the taxes were too high.

So I found a gut rehabbed 2 flat in Milwaukee Wisconsin. I put an offer and it was accepted. I sent the earnest money in time and scheduled the inspection. During the inspection, we found out much of the work was done poorly, including plumbing that didn't lead anywhere. We weren't able to inspect the electrical system because it was turned off from the main. There were other little things, but once I saw the basement walls I knew I didn't want it. Signs of water intrusion, shear wall cracks and a horizontal crack on all 4 walls. So I told my agent to let them know that unfortunately there were too many things wrong with the property and I have to use my inspection contingency to get out of the contract. 

The agent told me the sellers don't want to cancel and have a right to make repairs. So I asked him to make a list with all the mistakes on the inspection. He did and we sent that over. Apparently, the sellers had three days to get back to us about these repairs but didn't until 8 or 9 days later. At that point, they said we need a structural engineer to inspect the property if we wanted them to address the structural issues. They said they'll fix the rest. I'm not sure if they did or didn't because they took too long to even reply. When my agent told them that the contract is void because they didn't have the standard 10 days to reply, but 3 according to our contract, they said they are going to sue us. 

They dragged out the threats for two months. In the meantime, I ended up buying a rental in Chicago. I found out that the sellers and the selling agent's firm didn't have a contract signed so the agency sent me my earnest check back. I thought it was all done until I got a call from the agent today asking if he can give the lawyer my number. 


I really don't have money to hire a lawyer right now and am unsure what to do. I always thought that if you operated fairly and honestly you wouldn't need to lawyer up and try to protect yourself. What do you think I should do? Should I hire a lawyer to speak with this lawyer on my behalf? I am honestly thinking about representing myself if this turns out to be a real lawsuit. If you have a good lawyer for Wisconsin, please let me know. 


All in all, our next step into real estate wasn't as good as I thought it would be. Bad things can and do happen. I will keep you updated on how this turns out because this can honestly happen to anyone. 

Thank you.

Post: Windward REI Meetup (Kailua Beach Park)

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52

I'll have to attend the next one*

Post: If you only had $500 to start your RE investing

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52

@Robert Goldman

Where do I find these posts

Post: If you only had $500 to start your RE investing

Ben I.
Posted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 52

@Season Price

Listen to bigger pocket money podcast on becoming a signing agent. Actually costs just around $500 to start.