All Forum Posts by: Cali Skier
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Post: Clean, paying early tenant, got a cat, we found e-cigarettes

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
The presence of e-cigarettes is not proof they are being used. You saw nothing and smelled nothing. Leave it alone. As a side note, I would point out that putting extra words in your lease doesn't make better tenants. My no-smoking policy is no more than two sentences.
The unauthorized occupant and cat are issues. I would start with a conversation:
"As a reminder, our policy is that guests can only stay 14 days. Longer than that, he will have to be screened, approved, and added to the lease as a legal occupant. Also, we permitted you to have one dog. That doesn't permit you to add animals or allow guests to bring animals. Since we don't allow cats in our rental, you must remove it from the home and place it with someone else or in a kennel."
My wife from Gillette saw your icon photo from across the room and said... "Is that the guy from Cody?" That just tells you how much you have helped us. "we love that guy"...
Yeah i was kinda on that page with the e-cigs... I think it would be petty to go there, 24 hours made me realize that.
I have been thinking about the child on the lease... Questions there... They appear to be 19-23 years old... What would be my reason to the existing tenants for putting thier live-in child on the lease (cat asside)?
Sorry, i have been doing this for about 5 years, but never ran into someone bringing in their adult kids in after leasing.
Maybe that's it. They are an adult, they have to be on the lease like any other adult. If they have a non-qualifying attribute, like an eviction, how will that play into the lease?
Is that typical, anyone 18 years of age or older regardless if they were a child of the renting parrents, needs to apply?
Thanks for your reply...
Post: Clean, paying early tenant, got a cat, we found e-cigarettes

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Thanks David, agree, will wait until the issue is fixed with the unit, and after laborday weekend work through it.
Post: Clean, paying early tenant, got a cat, we found e-cigarettes

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Quote from @Greg M.:
I am thinking this is the play... sit back and collect the rent two weeks early from the seemingly excellent tenants.
If when they move out there is cat piss or vape smell, deal with it then.
I have double deposit, and I kinda doubt they will have cat piss... Its easier to do it like you say, look the other way and hope... but it may be better since they are great tennants.
Post: Clean, paying early tenant, got a cat, we found e-cigarettes

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Quote from @David Bennett:
I think your approach is probably a good one for the adult child. But how you approach should be based on the provisions of your lease.
Do you have extended stay and roommate (or additional tenant) provisions in the lease? i.e. does it state that they must be added or get out after a specific period?
Does your lease require notification and approval for any pet not on the lease?
Does your lease have the tenant responsible for the actions of guests and are to enforce the provisions of the lease with the guest?
Stick to the lease and provide the correct notifications. They may pay on time, but they seem to take liberties with some of the lease. It does not have to be adversarial, but people can be unreasonable about their family. However, if it is just enforcing the lease, they have little to complain about - they agreed to it already.
Extended stay, yes. 14 days..

Approval for extra pets, yes:


I have multiple statements about "and damages by guests, XYZ caused by guests, performed by guests, etc."
I think I have everything on paper. I struggle with frustrating them when they are so very good, they are planting gardens in the front yard. It was a very nice house and they are absolutly keeping it that way if not making it better. We have a double deposit already... We need to think about this...
Post: Clean, paying early tenant, got a cat, we found e-cigarettes

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Preamble: We don't announce that we are the owners, we don't hide it, but it never comes up. We have a logo and a company name for all our properties, we look like a business. We sign the owner line on the lease, but nobody every notices.
We have nice middle class houses we rent. In our nicest house we have Tenants that pay 2 weeks early, been there for about 4 months. They are friendly tenants, They call us immediately when there is a problem, and every time either of us is over there, the house is very clean and there are no odors... They came in with a dog, told us about the dog, paid a deposit and fee for the dog.
We were over there for a problem recently and noticed two things. A cat, and a pack of e-cigarettes on the counter. We have a very hard core policy on smoking / vaping, screen shots below... The cat is not on the lease, and we have strict rules about that.
They indicated that an older child moved in with them temporarily, trying to figure out a housing situation. That child brought the cat. The e-cigarettes, we are not sure if its this child and have not addressed that yet.
I want to stay professional on this... e-cigarettes on a counter does not mean they are being used on the property, its assumed though.
I am thinking this is the play... Tell the parrents, that the child needs to be added to the lease, and have that child sign all the same documents, and pay for a deposit and pet fee for the cat. Once he moves out he can have his cat deposit back if we do not see any damanges or smells. That's the cat.
For the e-cigs....With the other documents, new child will sign the no smoking / vaping addendum, that might be a good way to address anything without saying "hey I saw a pack of e-ciggeretts on the counter". Treating this child like we treat everyone, as we hand the document to sign: "And this is the no smoking addendum, just be aware, dont allow anyone on the property to smoke here, inside or outside, its impossible to get the smell out of the house"
How would you approach this?


Post: Renter signed holding deposit that has a forefeit clause where we keep the money.

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Quote from @Theresa Harris:
I agree with the others, especially about holding it for 6 weeks. You can only collect rent from one person at a time, so if the old tenants rented it until July 31, but move out (and have paid rent) July 15, you could (with their permission) let the new tenants move in July 21. In that case, return the rent to the old tenants for the last 10 days of the month and collect that rent from the new tenants.
If the paperwork they signed said that the deposit is non-refundable if they do not move in, then keep the money. You're also going to be out rent for August. If you don't hear from them before Aug 1 (ie July 31 when they should contact you to ask for keys), check if utilities were put in their name and if not, then Aug 2, tell them that you are re-listing it and the lease is null and void.
absolutly! Thx...
Post: Renter signed holding deposit that has a forefeit clause where we keep the money.

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Thanks both of you.
BTW, Nathan you have been very helpful to me in the past as well...
Actually, what we did was put it up for rent well in advance of our tenants leaving. We knew they were vacating so, we are really only 1 week vacancy. If they dont sign on Aug 1 we will relist and, then yes, will be losing real money.
Wanted to ask you on this: "Don't hold a vacant property for someone for more than two weeks. After that, they have to pay rent, utilities, and other costs even if they aren't going to occupy for another month." Can I take rent from two people at the same time where 1 is not in the property?
Or are you suggesting this... "Take rent the day the other tenant leaves but get it paid in advance". So like in our case, the other tenant left on the 24th, you might tell me the new tenants sign the lease for the 25th, pay rent for the rest of July, all August and the deposit, and I would not care when they show up.
Post: Renter signed holding deposit that has a forefeit clause where we keep the money.

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Hi,
We took a property off the market 6 weeks ago because we landed some tenants that paid a deposit / holding fee. They signed an agreement to comit to signing the lease or forefeit the money. Aug 1st is the day they have to sign. There are some indications that they may not sign, some personal family stuff that I don't want to get into. They wanted to start early, but then no, then they have stopped texting. I believe it's my right to keep the deposit, is there some law or some thing I don't know about that would say otherwise?
Aug 2 I am relisting the house if I don't have a signed lease.
Post: Tenant Screening: I have criteria that I go by, need guidance on exceptions / gray

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Thank you both, this was really helpful
Post: Tenant Screening: I have criteria that I go by, need guidance on exceptions / gray

- Oklahoma City, OK
- Posts 122
- Votes 14
Hi
We are screening tenants again. I go pretty much by the bigger pockets formula, some of my main instant declines are:
- Gross less than 3x monthly rent
- evictions, felonies
- poor rental history
- Dogs that my insurance does not cover
Ok, beyond that, things get gray for me…and I had a coach tell me this… “If you ever make an exception on one criterion, you must continue to make that exception from now on. For example, if you want credit scores above 600 but you accept a 580 once, you can never in the future decline someone with a credit score between 580 and 600.
The gray areas…
- I like a credit score above 600,
- I like my tenants not to have bankruptcy
- I like my tenants not to have a lot of debt (such that payments impact the Gross = 3X number)
- I like my tenants to have a history of paying on time
Here is a scenario: Tenant “X” gets past all the instant declines. Employed with the same company for 7 years, makes 4.7 times the rent, has a credit score of 580, and a bankruptcy that is over 3 years old, shows 0 late payments since bankruptcy.
If I accept this tenant, does it follow that forevermore I cannot decline someone solely on a less than 600 score?
Reading a lot of posts on this forum it sounds like many of you look at the whole picture and it's not always black and white… To me the 580 and the bankruptcy are unacceptable at face value, however, the 7 years, the 4.7X, and 0 late payments since bankruptcy offset those blemishes.
Would a cort of law find this acceptable?: “Your honor, yes I accepted Tenant X with a 580 and a bankruptcy, but these other things offset that and I felt comfortable with the risk. Tenant “Y” has a 590, 3.2X rent, but just started a new job a week before applying and I did not feel comfortable renting to them for that reason. How do I know they aren’t going to be fired?"