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All Forum Posts by: Chris Grenzig

Chris Grenzig has started 16 posts and replied 393 times.

Post: How Do Pre-Payment Penalties Factor in on Your Loan Decision?

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248

@John Casmon agreed unless you're investors understand, or you more focused on cash flow, or you're definitely not going to go significantly shorter than the term, or if you think rates are going to U-turn and increase substantially in 5 years, it could be an attractive assumption which then it doesn't matter. I know rates have just stalled and dropped, but no one 18-24 months ago was talking about cuts, it was only about continued hikes so it's not a crazy thought lol

Post: Grant Cardone / Cardone Capital

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248
Originally posted by @Calvin Thomas:
Originally posted by @Chris Grenzig:

@Calvin Thomas @Ron Vitkun

I've never looked at a GC deal, but I think I can make some pretty good educated guesses just based on our business model and deals we've done and how he structures his deals.

From my understanding he claims to close the deals with his own money and then sells his interest post closing. Nothing wrong here, although I am curious if there's any mark up (probably not is my guess)

Since he is raising money for a fund and not a one-off deal, they are usually structured with mandatory capital calls as money is needed for new deals (mentioned in earlier posts of this thread). This is not uncommon because it means your money isn't tied up in no assets until a deal is found and needed. Some people do the capital call structure, others don't.

I would definitely look at his fees, for deals of his size and considering they are low management intensity, a 1% acq fee and 1% asset management fee on Net revenue would be close to what I would expect.

Considering these are Class A a 6% pref seems fair, a 65-35 split over that seems a bit high, but nothing too aggregious (saw it mentioned earlier not sure if true).

As far as if he keeps money in, I would expect he will, 5-10% of total equity is normal and fair considering the size of the fund.

As far as the length of the investment, usually funds will have a pre-determined expected length (seems like 10 years), but will have clauses to extend that if the manager (Cardone) deems it necessary for a "wind down" period I believe its called, again nothing uncommon about that.

At the end of the day being a passive investor is giving someone else control. The difference between a fund and a one-off investment like we do, is the funds/returns can be blended between deals, if you invest in a fund you may not know the specific properties that will be acquired, and it's just less known. On a one-off deal you are still passive, no control, but your money is for that specific deal, it ends when that deal does, and theres less mixing of things around. There's pros and cons to both, you just have to understand what is right for you.

Hope that helps!

Well, as a real estate developer since the late 70's and accumulated over 400 units that are all paid off I can tell you one thing.. "A fool and his money are soon parted"

But, hey, what do I know. I am just a guy from the Bronx.

I think you probably know more than most lol

Post: How do I vet a syndication as an investor?

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248

@Kayla V. I wrote this in another thread about red flags to look for, thought it might be helpful to evaluate different deals and different operators:

  1. Are they co-investing in the deal or are they just collecting fees and operating? Do they have skin in the game?
  2. Are their percentage growth numbers on income and expenses very different (5% vs 2%), and just understanding why that is. Could be a good reason, or could be someone trying to make the deal work.
  3. Whats their track record and do they have any deals that have gone the full cycle? (buy, operate, sell, make money)
  4. How has their track record performed financially as compared to their budgeted numbers? So many people have made great returns because cap rates went from 6.5% to 5.0%, but their projected NOI was off by 20%.
  5. They won't admit to any losses, errors, misses, incurred problems, lower than expected returns, etc. They're either lying or haven't been doing it long enough.

Hope that helps!

Post: Who are your favorite syndicators?

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248

@Travis Houck some other mentions I know of from their deals I've actually seen and do a really good job, find good deals.

Reed goossens (Wildhorn Capital)

Chris Jackson/Krista Testani (Sharpline Equity)

Josh Eitingon (DXE properties)

Sonya Rocvil (Berry Rocvil Enterprises)

Jake Stenziano/Gino Barbaro/Dylan Marma (Rand Partners)

Omar Khan (Boardwalk Wealth)

Sam Bates (Trinity Capital)

Sapan Talati (Enzo Multifamily)

If I remember some others I'll post them too.

Post: How Do Pre-Payment Penalties Factor in on Your Loan Decision?

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248

@John Casmon we've been going with step down agreements and paying a slightly higher interest rate, this makes prepayment penalties a known number (depending on the year) and makes our projections significantly more certain (on sale costs). We feel the couple of extra basis points are more than worth it and usually are much lower than what yield maintenance would be anyway.

Post: Syndicators if a deal doesnt go through

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248

@Charlotte Dunford any cost to acquire a deal is 100% out of the GP's pocket until the deal closes and then is reimbursed as a closing cost. If the deal doesn't close then you're out of luck, thats the risk of being apart of the GP. If you don't want to take the risk, find a partner or two to spread out some of the risk for the first couple/several deals.

Post: Finding Apartment Syndication Deals-FAST!

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248

@Tate Siemer call the 10 surrounding properties when a deal gets listed. Try to get for a discount to that, call every 2 weeks and keep checking in.

Post: Multifamily apartment evaluation

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248

@Levi Steven maybe someone else can help, but it's not enough for me to give you a real opinion. 

Post: What red flags to look for as a Limited Partner in syndication?

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248

@Brian Toy I'll keep it short and a few points to look for.

  1. Are they co-investing in the deal or are they just collecting fees and operating? Do they have skin in the game?
  2. Are their percentage growth numbers on income and expenses very different (5% vs 2%), and just understanding why that is. Could be a good reason, or could be someone trying to make the deal work.
  3. Whats their track record and do they have any deals that have gone the full cycle? (buy, operate, sell, make money)
  4. How has their track record performed financially as compared to their budgeted numbers? So many people have made great returns because cap rates went from 6.5% to 5.0%, but their projected NOI was off by 20%.
  5. They won't admit to any losses, errors, misses, incurred problems, lower than expected returns, etc. They're either lying or haven't been doing it long enough.

Hope that helps!

Post: Property tax Long Island

Chris GrenzigPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 402
  • Votes 248

@Bertram Scroggins if you're buying rental properties, especially MF, taxes are priced in so if their $1 or $100,000 or $1,000,000 its part of the expenses and any deal purchased on a cap rate basis will price that in. Whats more concernign as a buyer is how are taxes reassessed and how will it impact after you acquire it.

If you're talking single family homes, well for starters you're in the wrong forum section (lol), but then yes it does matter and it's probably way too much for Long Island. Are there pockets that could be sub $10,000? Sure, but they are few and far between or way out east.