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All Forum Posts by: Chris Mason

Chris Mason has started 100 posts and replied 9561 times.

Post: Just closed THREE cash out refinances on three of our Multifamily rentals!

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Grats!

Post: Apartment building investment

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Quote from @Andrew Bosco:

What do you bring to the table @Lance Muller? is it deals? financing? stabilization? figure that out and the pieces that you don't have - partner with people who do. 

 That's the correct answer, commercial mortgages are a lot more flexible about down payment sources, etc, than home loans, but pragmatically (loan requirements aside) you need to bring SOMETHING to the table for anyone to want to bring what THEY have (down payment etc) to the table. Otherwise, it's just panhandling, "I have nothing to offer but will you help me buy an apartment building?" isn't far removed from "I have nothing to offer but can I have a $20 bill?" 

Post: Commercial Real Estate Platform Reccomendations.

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The Boomer Business Bureau isn't a credible source of information.

Loopnet and Crexi are the industry standard consumer-facing sources for CRE. Your due diligence is when you hire an inspector, when you review the estoppels, etc. Beyond the scope of what a general listing website does. 

If you read the 1-star reviews on BBB for Loopnet, for example, it's a bunch of apartment renters pissed that their water heater is broken and stuff like that. Blaming Loopnet for an allegedly bad property manager is like blaming Zillow for an allegedly bad realtor...

I'm sure if Loopnet was stupid enough to give ransom money to BBB, BBB would take down the bad reviews and un-filter any good reviews (which is the entire business model of BBB).

Post: Just got a 1 star due to the ghosts

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Perfect response. Taking full responsibility for the issue, and stating your remediation efforts. Love it.

Post: Multiunit investors in San Francisco area on how to Finance deal

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Where'd you get $7m? In the vaguely unlikely case that the cap rate and deal is real and there aren't any significant "gotchas," 25% down should be easily doable. In the vaguely unlikely case that that cap rate and deal is real and there aren't any significant "gotchas," you should have zero problems finding co-sponsors for that deal. Throw an LLC together with a few people with $1m each, and buy it, San Francisco isn't short of folks who got lucky with this or that IPO and have the money, most of those tech companies have an unofficial employee-maintained slack/discord channel where they talk about real estate stuff. See below, I'll take care of the other 75% of the sales price, again in the vaguely unlikely case that the cap rate and deal is real and there aren't any significant "gotchas."

Sorry if I'm a little cynical, but by all means good sir call my bluff and prove me wrong, I'll be the first to eat my words if that's real. :P

Post: Financing an Income Producing Property

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Quote from @Mark Humphrey:

We are considering purchasing an income making property and business combined, 10 acres 3300 sq ft home and barn. Venue is rented out for mostly weddings. Current revenue last 3 years (as worked part time) is 75-95k annual but is not near its potential of 150-185k annual. 

We have been working the business for our friends and they are interested in selling the property and business. We would occupy and grow the revenue full time. Property is estimated to appraise at 950k. total price is 1.1mm. We have 300k down. Seller has mortgage on property unknown amount possibly 600k.

Any thoughts on attaining financing.

 Thanks for the tag @Andrew Postell!

Hi Mark,

Yup, this is a best fit for a commercial mortgage. Feel free to reach out when you're ready to have a conversation about what the financing will look like. 

A commercial appraisal will include giving value for the income potential, so for a property like this it wouldn't be at all unusual for a residential appraisal to come in at $950k and a commercial one to come in at $1.1m or some other higher number. 

Post: Portfolio Lender Inquiry

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Quote from @Tara Montgomery:

I was recently informed that there are portfolio lenders that don't do a credit check, don't require an appraisal (possibly BPO), or tax returns, etc and are truly asset based. Is this possible for a cash out refinance or rate term on 2 investment properties on the same loan that need to be refinanced and separated, or is this a unicorn by a rainbow sitting next to a pot of gold?


 It's not a unicorn by a rainbow sitting next to the pot of gold, but the price you pay for such a loan, between the interest rate and fees, etc, will be about the same as buying a unicorn sitting by a rainbow sitting next to a pot of gold. 

Post: Will putting my properties in an LLC lower my DTI ratio?

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Quote from @Kelvin He:

Hello,

I have two investment SFH but they are under my personal name. I was wondering - if I move one of the properties to an LLC, will that lower my personal DTI to allow me to refinance the one that is still under my personal?

Thank you in advance for your help.


As others noted, moving ownership into an LLC alone will not do anything.

Once you have 3 or more, you can refinance them into a commercial blanket mortgage. Commercial mortgages made to an LLC do not appear on your personal credit, and typically have lower rates to boot. To keep the home loan people from getting confused, you will want to NOT report the rental income/expenses on your personal tax returns Schedule E, instead have the LLC do an S-Corp election, and report the income/expenses there (after confirming the truthiness of all this with your tax professional, of course).

Post: $4m Los Angeles Shopping Center 6% Cap Rate Acquisition - Financing Survey/Review

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Scenario:

- Fully stabilized retail center. "Shadow-anchored," meaning the Target or Costco building isn't included with the purchase, but it shares a parking lot or similar. In other words the subject property owner's tenants benefit from that property that subject property's owner does not own (and thus pay more in rent, vacancies will be easier to fill, etc). The mortgage terms might be a little better if the buyer got the big sexy national tenant with 17 years left on a NNN lease, but that's not our scenario.

- 6% cap rate reflects a nice safe part of Los Angeles, California, a prudent investment, not one that will make anyone rich overnight, but a place that higher net worth individuals park wealth to preserve it (imagine the depreciation write-off). 6% cap rate also tells us, right off the bat, that we're going to be in the ballpark of 60% LTV.

- We will stipulate that this is hypothetical. 

Survey of mortgage terms (click to enlarge):

From left to right, 1.25 points, 1.5 points, 1 point but $41k in fees.

Prepayment penalty: 5 years declining, none, 2 year lockout followed by 10 years defeasance.

Commentary/review/discussion: 

I tried to provide three very different options here, but all still real ways that people actually acquire such assets. We've got a national bank, a local credit union, and a direct-to commercial mortgage backed security. With a 6% cap rate, this will be DSCR-constrained. When I see that 60% LTV will not work, rather than jumping to 55% LTV, I walk it down - 59, 58, etc, as you can see. The interest rates are competitive across the board, it's not going to come down to that for most buyers.

National Bank: This is the 'standard,' the 'baseline,' what most people do. 5 year prepayment penalty is slightly unfortunate, as many pontificators say rates will be dropping "soon," and it may make refinancing a little more painful. This bank requires the borrower be local to the subject property, so your Bay Area tech wizard or Texas oiligarch (see what I did there?) wouldn't be able to get this mortgage unless they lived in SoCal and worked remote. Given how good the terms are, I'm surprised to read that they will work with someone that had a bankruptcy or foreclosure more than 3 years ago with a sufficiently compelling letter of explanation along with supporting documentation. 

Credit Union: Fixed for 10 years, 30 year amortization AND no prepayment penalty? That's enticing. Subject property and borrower must be local to the CU, SoCal people only once again, in this case. No cannabis tenants is specifically noted. Compared to the previous option, you have to put 1% more towards the down payment and pay another 0.25 in points. I think between the last option and this one, most folks would pay the 1% + 0.25% for the lack of PPP.

Commercial Mortgage Backed Security: Net worth must be equal to the loan amount, and liquidity must be 10% of the loan amount, absentee borrower is fine/normal here. Here's your oddball of the group, the deal size here is right around the size where CMBS become viable. That $40k to $50k in fees is the same if it's a $2m loan or a $20m loan, in this case $41k / $2.36m is the same as 1.7 points (but would be 0.2 points on a $20m loan, you can see why it's enticing for the bigger loans). I actually wouldn't advise this option for a loan this small when the other 2 options are so compelling, but it popped up and is interesting to talk about. The 2 year lockout period means that they will not accept additional payments beyond the minimum payment (trade-off is that sometimes you can get them to go for interest only). The prepayment penalty is defeasance, if rates are the same or go down that is the most severe PPP that exists. Here's a blog post about it. TLDR: If you're in year 4 of 10 and pay the mortgage off, your payoff balance will be adjusted to reflect the cost of buying a gov't bond that will produce the equivalent amount of dividend payments for the remaining 6 years (in other words, one way or another, the lender is absolutely going to get their 10 years of payments). If rates drop, that means your payoff balance could be vastly higher than your actual loan balance. These mortgages can be assumed, however, and are non-recourse (if your name is a musical instrument and you were a reality TV star, and made cameo appearances in WWF, this might be the type of mortgage you get for some of your projects, which might ahem wind up being front page CNN news). 

Post: Converting a Mechanic Shop/Garage to Restaurant/Retail Space

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Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

Building a restaurant is shockingly expensive, especially the kitchen, ventilation and fire suppression. And you also have to jump through a lot of permitting hoops and redtape, depending of what you want to serve: take out, dine-in, beer&wine, liquor - all different licenses. Even in brew-city Milwaukee. .

 This actually got me thinking of the best restaurant deals I've seen. They aren't toxic wasteland to eating establishment conversions. 

Rather, it's the restaurant that just went broke. One recent example, the seller purchased the building and dumped $500k into making it their dream vegan organic non-GMO ethical [bla bla bla, and so on, and so on] eating establishment. Only problem, they didn't do their homework, this wasn't an area where that sort of thing is actually sufficiently in demand to support that restaurant, at the prices they needed to turn a profit. Reading between the lines, if they were open to a concept shift, they weren't open to it soon enough to make the pivot before running out of money.

So my buyer picks it up for a tad under what the seller paid for it, a few years ago, before the $500k in upgrades. And is walking into a turnkey ready to rock building, the seller (whom I am presuming is now broke, but that may not be the case) even left the tables and chairs behind, all ready to have plates full of unethical inorganic genetically modified red meat dipped in butter placed on them. 

@Gary Kumar as you drive around this area, are there not shuttered/abandoned restaurants or bars? I think that might be the more plausible value play.