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All Forum Posts by: John Whittle

John Whittle has started 3 posts and replied 140 times.

Post: Tenant fried my grage panel

John WhittlePosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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Originally posted by @Nicholas DeLouisa Jr:
Originally posted by @John Whittle:

 The neutral is supposed take away the unbalanced current. 

Only from the main breaker back to the transformer in the street.  In a circuit, that conductor, which is not actually a "neutral" as defined by the NEC, is a return for all of the current, not just the unbalanced portion, back to the panel.

 Thats not true Nicholas.  The neutral does take the unbalanced current.  The way the transformer is set up.  If both hots have the same draw on them no current will go on the neutral wire.  

Two neutrals don't have to be loose for the above to happen.  The circuits with a good neutral even themselves out at the neutral bar.  Meaning current from one hot goes back through another circuit on the other phase but only to the point of evening the load.  The unbalanced portion goes back on the neutral.  So when you take away the main neutral.  The circuits even out through the other 

Post: Tenant fried my grage panel

John WhittlePosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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It would be the main neutral in the sub panel.  It could be in the house panel, meter or feed from the power company.  Since your problem is just in the garage.  I'd look at the sub and the feed from the main panel.  

A hair dryer will pull almost 15 amps on one hot. So it will show the problem. The neutral is supposed take away the unbalanced current.  If the main neutral is loose. That 15 amps tries to go back thru a neutral on another circuit thru another device and then back on a hot from another phase.  Thats what causes the crazy voltages.  Depending on the resistance of the loads.  One phase will drop the other goes higher. 

I'd see what happens when you run a hair dryer in the garage. I doubt its the halogens themselves.  Try the hair dryer on different outlets and check other outlets while its running if the voltage bounces like it does with the lights.  Time to get a real electrician that knows what to actually check.

Post: Tenant fried my grage panel

John WhittlePosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 144
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Originally posted by @Mark Forest:

I put some of your comments to my electrician.  He stated that the tenant could have worn out the breaker if he kept tripping it.  Breakers will only trip so many times.  If the breaker ceased to trip then all that power would "back feed."  Yes the box was old and that is why I did not want him putting this cable in it.  Had he treated the garage as just a place to park his car and maybe some light power drills that would have been fine.  

This electrician comes highly recommended by another landlord. 

 This isn't true.  Power doesn't back feed but loose neutrals cause one hot to over volt and one to under volt.  The bright lights and frying electronics are a classic loose neutral.  That little 240 volt 15 amp compressor probably doesn't even need a neutral.  I can't tell whats going on in your picture.  The tenant could of loosened the neutral or double tapped a neutral causing the problem but its not the load.

Post: Discovery work or not? Replacement of panel tied to installation of new circuits

John WhittlePosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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Originally posted by @Walt Payne:

One thing you might propose to keep it from becoming a legal issue is to make the point that he should have included the panel in his quote if needed. It is not a "discovery" item if it can be seen in plain sight. Offer to pay for the materials and see if he will eat the labor cost.

In residential, the individual breakers can total 200% of the main. So if you have 100 Amp service, your breakers can total 200 Amps.

Also, as Wayne said, do you really need 5 new circuits? Was there no electric in that room already?

 Its not 200% of the main,  it goes by load calculation.  If an electrician told you that fire him.  The breakers can add up to 2000 amps on 100 amp panel as long as the calculated load doesn't reach 100 amps.  Unless you have electric everything or a large house 100 amp panel is fine.  These days an average kitchen needs about 4 circuits total.

Get a real electrician to do a load calc.  Sometimes we miss stuff but this is not something he should be calling "discovery".  He most likely just ran out of room for 5 circuits he didn't really need and he is too stupid or lazy to do what needs to be done.

Post: Discovery work or not? Replacement of panel tied to installation of new circuits

John WhittlePosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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He shouldn't need 5 additional circuits.  Not that it matters loads the same. Unless you have a 60 amp panel I'm sure this isn't going to put the load over the limit.  

If the panel can handle the load but not enough space or hard to find breakers.  You will need tandems or a sub-panel. 

It sounds like this electrician needs to go.

Post: Bought my First Rehab House in about 5 years

John WhittlePosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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You do it from the inside.  Concrete blade runs about $20 cement $15 and then it just depends if you have an angle grinder and a truck to go get dirt.  The rest is labor.

Post: Bought my First Rehab House in about 5 years

John WhittlePosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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Grind the crack with an angle grinder concrete blade.  Apply hydraulic-lock cement.  Of course check gutters down spouts and you should probably grade the area with more top soil.  Fixes most of them.

Post: Multi-Family HVAC System

John WhittlePosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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If forced air it has to be separate to each unit. 

The cheapest way would be electric baseboard heat and window units not ideal though. 

With an airhandler/furnace for each unit with ductwork your looking at 20k+. 

What I do is have them call me an hour before they want to come.  Lets me know they are serious.  I'll try and schedule 3 or so for around the same time. 

Lockbox method is risky.  Guys that want to steal copper will call on the for rent sign to make sure no ones going to be there.  Now they don't even have to break in, if they are smart enough to sound interested.

Post: Heating, Cooling & Electric Cincinnati, OH

John WhittlePosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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Specializing in investment property.  Walking the fine line between great work and affordable pricing.  

From service calls at the rentals. To tearing out boilers and putting back forced air heat and A/C in the rehabs.  Electric troubleshooting. To service upgrades and rewires. 

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