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All Forum Posts by: Brian Burke

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Post: Preferred Equity Experience

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@Mike Iger, my distaste for pref equity stems more from the sponsor side.  Pref is generally a shorter term than common equity, which means you need to have a way to redeem it out. This could come from an early sale or from a refinance.  Let’s say that the pref is due in three years—you have to be confident that you can sell or refinance (for an amount of the acquisition loan plus the pref equity) in three years or less.  Some sponsors are mitigating this risk by raising their own pref tranches from their own investor base, thereby giving them control over the terms.

In a strong up market it’s likely that rent growth and strong demand will drive up income, thus driving up value, which supports the ability to take out the pref.  In a stagnant market, you might need to hold for an extended time for the value to increase enough, and the pref might mature before you can get there.  In a down market, you’ve painted yourself into a corner.

It’s not at all impossible to encounter a scenario where the pref tranche gets their entire return, while common equity suffers a 100% loss.  That’s not a great scenario for building investor loyalty.

It’s important to remember that pref equity is really debt that looks like equity. Conservative debt is a tool to generate higher returns and build wealth.  Aggressive debt is an investment death sentence (eventually). 

I’ve used pref equity with excellent results.  But that was early in a long bull market run.  That’s not where we are now, and capital stacks need to be designed for current conditions.

Post: Preferred Equity Experience

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@Maria T., why are you looking to use preferred equity?  If you are looking to use it you probably see it as a solution that produces specific benefits.  Knowing your reasons can help people give you the best advice.

I can’t think of a worse time to use preferred equity unless I think back about 15 years.  But my reasons for feeling that way might not apply to your specific situation.  Perhaps you have a compelling reason and strategy where it would be a viable option.

Post: Is a 20-25% Crash in Multifamily Asset Values Realistic?

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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Brian Burke

Any perspective on all of the new start-ups that are turning SFHs into syndication-like opportunities, like Arrived Homes?  Is there similar risk to their portfolios to what @Scott Trench described?

https://techcrunch.com/2022/05...

Just to be clear, personally, I'm completely uninterested in having a $100 share of a SFH... as I'd like to own and control the whole home.

But I'm interested in other perspectives as to whether these operators are going to find themselves overleveraged and unable to deliver dividends and appreciation, or whether they're here to stay as a way to invest in RE.  Especially if prices stay high despite the actions of the Fed.

I can’t comment on these specific groups or their strategy, Nicholas, because I don’t know them and haven’t seen what they are doing.  I can say that you can’t generalize the strategy by saying that they will be over leveraged or deliver dividends (or not) because each of these ventures can be structured differently and play in different markets.  Certainly some will have trouble, and perhaps some will execute as planned.

I did this about 13 years ago, before it was cool.  I bought over a hundred homes in the SF Bay Area as a syndicated SFR buy/rent strategy.  Sold out of the last of them a couple of years ago.  It was a tremendous success.  But that was then, when I was buying just after a 50% price drop and before a long real estate bull market.  I just don’t get the strategy now.  I can’t figure out what these guys are thinking.

Post: Is a 20-25% Crash in Multifamily Asset Values Realistic?

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Quote from @Scott Trench:

Could you potentially link some of the sources you use to get data on regional cap rates/valuations? 

 

CBRE has a free twice-per-year cap rate analysis, it’s available for free by giving up your email address.  Plus cap rate data is available for individual trades on CoStar with a paid subscription. But I don’t get my data from either of these sources. Instead, I underwrite a lot of deals and see where these assets ultimately trade, so I can see the temperature of the market (that’s really what cap rate is) first hand.

I feel like I have to piece my analysis together with google searches one by one, and as an amateur in analyzing the multifamily market, I haven't identified the sources that publish some of these forecasts (however bad you think they might have been) or the ways to get basic raw data - like cap rates and information on typical debt financing structures.


You’re right—this data is hard to find, and if you find it without paying for it, it’s worth exactly what you paid. Media members use free data to create talking points…business leaders should never make multimillion dollar decisions with free data—yet it happens all too often.

Post: Is a 20-25% Crash in Multifamily Asset Values Realistic?

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Great post, @Scott Trench!  Yes it’s bold to post all of this negativity.  But your post is well thought out and your points are solid.

Thankfully my team and I saw some of this coming, and even more thankfully we were bold enough to act on it and sell 75% of our multifamily portfolio at the peak of the market (2021 to early 2022).  And we were bold enough to not buy anything in 2022, for all of the reasons you’ve set forth here. It’s also why it might be a while before we jump in again.

Addressing each of your points with my thoughts:

Supply:  I see some risk here, but it is market dependent.  Some markets have no new supply coming.  Some submarkets have building moratoriums for multifamily.  Some areas have a ton of supply coming, yet not enough to keep up with inbound migration.  Some markets will be awash in new construction and struggle with absorption.  And some of these projects will see delays due to cost of construction and financing constraints.  I see a mixed bag here.

Demand:  I agree on the coin toss. I look at rent growth forecasts going out four years, and while these forecasts can be nothing more than highly educated guesses, it’s interesting nonetheless.  Three months ago there were 50 out of 151 major markets with double-digit rent growth forecasted for 2023.  Now a forecast by the same economists predict double-digit growth in exactly zero markets in 2023, and growth above 9% in only three markets.  When I saw the earlier forecasts, I didn’t believe them.  Some buyers apparently did, however, because I still saw some overpriced trades happening.  I just can’t quantify what will happen with rents.  And I think eventually the economists will catch up and the forecasts will continue to come down.  Without reliable data, nor my own sense of direction, the safer play for me is to watch the game from the grandstands.

Cap Rate / Interest Rates:  Cap rates can be lower than interest rates and massive profits can be made, IF there is massive rent growth.  But I highly doubt we will see that, so cap rates will have to rise in order for deals to pencil unless rent growth goes up and/or interest rates come back down.  I don’t have confidence in either of those events materializing any time soon, so another reason to stand aside.

Timing and Credit:  For the last several years I’ve watched countless buyers acquiring with high leverage short term bridge debt. Yikes.  I know that a large percentage of the assets I sold were financed with risky debt.  And I know that some of those buyers are already under stress. This problem is likely to get worse before it gets better and will likely breed opportunity in the next 2-3 years.

Value Add:  The typical syndication-size deal is pretty large, and the larger the property, the more perfect the market, thanks to the sophistication and capitalization of the buyers in that space.  Market imperfections that yield “incredible deals” are needles in haystacks. Most of what is purported to be an “incredible deal” is really just a calculation or modeling error on behalf of the syndicator.  You are right that the next buyer has to be able to underwrite to a profit, so all acquisitions need to carefully consider exit cap rate assumptions.  This is the third major variable that I can’t confidently quantify (along with rent growth and interest rates) which is keeping me in “watch and wait” mode.

How Bad Is It:  Compared to what?  In some markets, prices are already down 20% compared to trades in March of this year. In some markets (Phoenix, for example) this was like a light switch.  Stuff that was trading for $300K/unit went to $250K/unit almost overnight in late Q2, and has trended down since.  But compared to pricing two years ago, they are still up.  Even compared to 18 months ago many markets are flat to up, yet down sharply from early Q2 trades.  Despite having dropped 15-20% already, I think prices need to drop another 15-20% before buying again makes sense (absent other systemic shifts).

How Long Will This Take:  See above about the light switch.  But to fully play out we need another year or two, most likely.

Bias:  The mechanism in which syndicators make money is a legitimate business practice, but it also introduces a variety of conflicts of interest that require a high degree of ethics to manage. I wrote a whole chapter on this in The Hands-Off Investor…if you haven’t seen it it’s worth the read.  This is one reason why I’ve so consistently advocated that sponsor selection is the most critical decision a passive investor will make.  Sponsors will handle the responsibility of managing the inherent conflicts of interest differently, and this is all about the sponsor’s moral character, their experience, and financial stability.  Choosing a partner that has all three will produce better results than qualifying them based on the metric of how much of their own money they have in the deal.  Remember—an unscrupulous or financially unstable sponsor can drain the bank accounts to recoup their investment before fleeing and leaving the other investors holding an empty bag. 

What Should I Do To Make Money:  If you have money in a syndication, I hope it isn’t financed with short-term high leverage debt.  If you are considering investing in one, I’m less concerned with how much the cap rate rises, but far more concerned on the exit cap rate assumption that was made, interest rate assumption, and rent growth assumption.  It’s funny that you mention buying real estate debt, Scott.  That’s exactly what I’m doing along with my investors.  It feels safer to have someone else’s equity in the first-loss position.  And rising rates play right into our strategy.  We are also contemplating buying properties all cash.  You nailed this one.

Mitigating Factors:  The only thing that will soften price declines will be high rent growth and lowering interest rates.  The housing market is fundamentally strong—there is demand for housing, many areas have varying degrees of shortage of it, employment is still relatively strong (although there are now some cracks appearing in the foundation), and wages are growing.  But inflation of goods and services is competing for tenant’s surplus dollars, leaving them with less capacity to absorb runaway rent growth on the heels of double-digit growth for multiple years.  So high rent growth is unlikely.  And with persistent high inflation, lower rates are unlikely, at least to a significant degree in the short run.

But there is no reason to mitigate.  Prices were too high and needed to come down.  This will present an opportunity for smart investors to earn great returns with their syndication partners that survive the turmoil.

Post: Multi Family Syndicate Recommendations

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Quote from @Marc Warren:

the offerings I'm seeing from the sponsors I know, are not nearly as compelling as they were a couple of years ago.  

I don't want to be the Grinch that stole Christmas, but some of those deals that looked compelling a couple of years ago might actually turn out to be less compelling than they once looked.  I'm already hearing stories of "compelling" deals gone awry.  It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Post: Multi Family Syndicate Recommendations

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@Marc Warren, this is a great time to research potential investment providers, learn more about their companies, and investigate track records.  But if you are looking to make an investment now, be extra cautious.  

No matter what you see or read about any syndication sponsor, if they are offering you an investment opportunity now, scrutinize it very carefully. Maybe they have the deal of the century, and if so, great.  But in my humble opinion, which I'll probably take heat for, and maybe I'm wrong, is that right now isn't the best time to be buying.

There are two reasons why sponsors might be buying right now.  1. Because they have found a great deal (I haven't found any but that doesn't mean they don't exist).  And 2. to generate fees to keep their office doors open.  I suppose there is also a third reason: they think they found a good deal, but they are wrong.

As you do your research, seek out firms that are financially solid enough that they don't have to buy anything at all and can still pay their company overhead.  Watch out for groups that have built a huge mouth to feed and must transact to feed it.  There are more than a few of them out there.

Post: Understanding Cap rate

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Here are a couple of articles I wrote that will tell you more than you ever wanted to know about cap rate. I think these will answer all of your above questions.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Post: Life goals + how REI will get you there

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Looks like fun, @Jon Q.!  I've flown into Reid Hillview a couple of times.  Cool pictures!

Post: Sonoma County fountaingrove purchase

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The market is still shifting but still might be a good time to buy.

Increasing interest rates and increasing prices (for the last several years) are putting a dent in demand. A year ago these houses were getting multiple offers, over asking.  Sellers got bold and priced every new listing higher than the most recent comps.  But now that’s not happening, which opens a door for you.

You are seeing price reductions but a lot of that might be sellers who were shooting too high to begin with and are now getting realistic.  A lot of Fountaingrove buyers are paying cash so increasing interest rates play a lesser role, at least in the higher end ($2M+).

The reason I think this might be a good time is that Fountaingrove is about 75% built out since the Tubbs fire, and if you are looking for new construction you’ll have fewer and fewer options as time passes. There’s no rush, though—the best move is to seriously watch the market and strike when you see the right house.