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All Forum Posts by: Henry Clark

Henry Clark has started 199 posts and replied 3831 times.

Post: RV and boat storage property

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@Bryan Mitchell  thanks for shout out.

@Tyler Hardy

$30,000 an acre isn't to much.  Run your numbers, the difference between $30,000; $20,000; $15,000 per acre over 25 or 30 years isn't much.

Bigger pockets doesnt allow Excel attachments, so I will just past below.  Format might not come across.

CONSIDERATIONS FOR RV OR VEHICLE STORAGE

A. Pull through- The front, pull as far forward as possible, gives the person next to you an easier angle to turn into, from behind you. Align your front with the fronts of all other vehicles. Be courteous and leave enough room on the Driver side, so that RV can open their doors.

B. Back to back parking- our locations are set up at 60 degree parking. Also, they are setup for the driver to back in on their side, so they can use the lot next to them for alignment. This way you only have one blind side on the right side backing in. Otherwise you have two blind sides.

We have 20/30/40 foot parking at our location at 26763 Highway 34, Glenwood, IA. Each size has a different width due to how hard it is to park a longer unit at the very front angle of their turn in. 20’s- 10 wide; 30’s- 12 wide; 40’s- 15 wide. Although you could park an RV in any of these sizes, it is easier with a wider width to make the “front” turn. Or ask for an end parking spot, so you are doing a 90 degree parking, but have the whole drive way to back in with, without a turn.

C. Canopy- same issues as others, depending on if 60 degree or 90 degree parking.

D. Enclosed- Really a matter of width and depth. Keep in mind all measurements for storage are relative. For example: A 10 wide x 20 deep x 8 tall unit, with studs, roll up door and door jambs; is really 9 wide x 19 ft 6 inch deep x 7 ½ foot tall. Also if you have a 20 ft boat or Camper, its really 22/23/24 ft depending on Propeller, bumper or front hitch.

E. Surface- Rock or hard surface (concrete/asphalt); If on rock/asphalt put your tongue leg or stabilizer pads on wider pads to spread the weight out. These pads are needed on Asphalt since in hot weather they will sink into the asphalt.

F. Pest control- we put mouse bait out along the fence lines and under the units, mow excess weeds and grass. You should put both rodent and bug control in your unit. Dispose of all food sources, for long term storage. If you want to be really diligent with pest control, don’t park next to overhead lights. They attract bugs at night and then mice underneath. Put scented drier sheets in all compartments and rooms. Open all cabinets and doors.

G. Stabilizers- if doing long term storage put you stabilizers down. Most parking is in an open area and the units can rock and move with the wind. This will also help with taking pressure off your tires so they last longer.

H. Security- Put a lock on the hitch. Although you are in a secure location, RV’s and trailers are the easiest storage to break into or take without notice. Recommend you put in motion sensors or GPS tracking security. Check your vehicle at least twice a month. Most Security systems only maintain footage for 2 weeks due to camera memory capacity.

I. Propane Fuel Tanks- disconnect and store if leaving for long term storage.

J. Electronic Lifts- disconnect the battery if leaving for long term storage.

K. Insurance- most storage unit insurance policies do not cover vehicles. Keep your insurance, just have them adjust your automobile to fewer miles or just comprehensive coverage. Wind, Flood, tornado, Hail, or third party damage or theft can still occur. Traditional insurance coverage, RV’s normally stay a flat rate throughout the year, thus you will still need to maintain full coverage. Or, if you seek out a specific RV or rec vehicle insurance company, you can move in and out of winterization rates.

L. Pricing- use a 30 foot vehicle as an example:

-In the country about a $1 per foot on rock.

-With Paved access and parking spot, this might run $60 to $90

- Enclosed parking this will cost about $120 to $170 for a 30 foot.

- Enclosed parking for a 50 foot, might cost $225 to $350.

The price extremes are the cost of the concrete/asphalt road and the storage bay. Also the longer the unit the price goes up significantly because it takes more driveway width to park and the type of door changes in both size and type (remote operated). A 50 ft RV will require about a 70 foot wide driveway to back in.

We are only addressing the long term Parking portion of storage. Other items are specific to each vehicle such as water clean out, Tire/window shades, etc.

Quick non Parking list:

Wheel/tire covers; Vehicle cover.

Remove and store your tires.

Store with a full fuel tank to prevent condensation

Add fuel stabilizers

Place RV completely off the ground to prevent flat spots on your tires, if left for a long time.

Cover your HVAC, skylights, vents and windows to prevent exposure to sun and breakdown.

Boats leave your plug out, whether covered or not.

PROJECT ESTIMATION TEMPLATE

Whether I am building or buying a location, I always run the Estimation template to dial in whether I can or should do the project. Each of us will have our own Payback, CAP rates, cash flow models and Tax implications thresholds; I am not covering that. This is a back of the napkin estimation, just on a spreadsheet.

We are in 8 locations and 5 towns; and we have used this approach to determine upfront whether to invest or not. Six of the locations are in towns of less than 5,000. Two of the locations are in a 1mm metro area (630 and 330 units). We will have built 47 buildings once we complete these last two sites.

This project list is for outside Storage and for the locations/cities we have looked at. Own the thought process. Example: HVAC, Fire Sprinklers, Facade, frost free footings, Storm retention ponds, road type, fire hydrants, etc. These and others, are the items that will hurt you, if you don’t own your knowledge. This spreadsheet is not all encompassing. For example on this project, I was “done with the spreadsheet”. I missed that there is a “Wet” spot in the middle. We will need to put in a $30,000 drain tile not reflected in my estimate. Still learning. You might want to put a SWAG factor (5%) in, up front.

Fill in the green areas. For the building quote, get one in your local area. This should represent the Building material, concrete base, and erection all delivered on site.

Side notes:

A. You can also use this template in reverse without knowing your site. Leave the “Land” amount blank and plug numbers in. This will give you a range of how much you can pay for the Land.

B. How many buildings should you build Phase One? I always have my first set of buildings pay off all of the land, fencing, initial ground/electrical/plumbing work. We use a 65% break even factor. This is a Cash flow estimate of how many of the units need to be filled to cover all expenses (except Depreciation) plus Principal/Interest payments. Although this is a little Chicken and Egg, or Circular logic. If you need 150 units to pay these costs, then add 80 more units for a total of 230. 230= 150 divided by 65%. Your building/road layout might dictate you build 240 or 204, then that is what you build. We never want to build just enough units (65%). The most depressing (counter intuitive) time for a storage owner is when you hit 90%; you have to decide if you build another building.

C. Phase 2, you will find your break even is around 35%. This is where the money starts to roll and your occupancy rate risk starts to decline.

See spreadsheet on our website (ClarkstorageLLC). Where ever it says spreadsheet, then hit the open button at the bottom. Change it and adapt it to your needs.

Again, don’t Trust anything I tell or give you. Own your info and data. Anything in the Storage Business can be validated. 

Start small and make your big mistakes early.

Post: NNN - does this insurance amount sound reasonable?

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Always pay your own insurance and property taxes.  Makes no business sense for him to pay. Especially for that small

Every year not only do you need proof of insurance but you need a copy showing you listed as “additional insured”. If someone slips and breaks their leg they will come after you and not him. His insurance lawyers will not represent you.  You will have to hire legal counsel.  Settle “cash out of your pocket” then approach his insurance. $1,800 insurance fees doesn’t cover much legal fees or anxiety. Two years later.  

No sense for him to pay insurance or just in case property taxes. 

Post: NNN - does this insurance amount sound reasonable?

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Always pay your own insurance and property taxes.  Makes no business sense for him to pay. Especially for that small

Every year not only do you need proof of insurance but you need a copy showing you listed as “additional insured”. If someone slips and breaks their leg they will come after you and not him. His insurance lawyers will not represent you.  You will have to hire legal counsel.  Settle “cash out of your pocket” then approach his insurance. $1,800 insurance fees doesn’t cover much legal fees or anxiety. Two years later.  

No sense for him to pay insurance or just in case property taxes. 

Post: Commercial bank loans

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1.  Ask them all what their loan cap rate is. If it is say $1.3mm and you will go over it in the next few years don’t go with them.  Even if they outsource part of the loans. 

2.  @Jill F.

Mentioned. Best to stay with one bank for cross collateralizarion and you want them to know you

3.  Ask for lower rate.  If you have cds or Mma at another bank move to this bank.  Build the relationship and they can use this to lower your rates if they can tie them down at this bank. 

4.  Don’t go with a large bank.  That bank officer will be fine in two years

5.  If your building will have a rental component to it.  Ask for interest only till filled or for 18 months. This won’t help your interest rate but will your cash flow up front. 

6.  350 basis points somethings wrong.    Go back and clarify.  No banks are that far off.  There is a piece of info missing. 

Post: Financing Shipping containers

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@Account Closed

Look up my post on cargo containers 

Omaha and San Antonio 20 foot $3,100 and 40 foot $3,900. They have gone up since last year from $2,100 and $2,800 due to less shipping from China.  

Delivered 30 miles $120 for two 20’s  

Insure as personal property.  They are not covered as buildings. 

Write off in year one

Not attachedntonground so no property tax  

Use trailer roof paint  silver.  This will drop the temp by 20 to 30 degrees.  Also stacking side by side reduces temp.  If on dirt lay and level 4 inches of limestone at the front and back to keep off ground.  Don’t put on asphalt without putting some plates underneath the footings.

Financing as noted above.  You can also try a sales leaseback agreement. Terms won’t be as good as straight finance.

If your down South leave space between some and put mounted canopy between for parking storage  

Read rest of my post.

Post: Self Storage- Building Cost increases

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Just got our latest estimate for our Phase 2 of a location. This is for your normal drive up units. Last fall Phase 1 we were $3,200 erected for 10 x 15 or 10 x 20. This was contracted around February of last year. Latest quote is $4,000 per unit erected.

Steel for buildings, rebar steel and Concrete caused the increase. Erection cost didn't change that much. This is for 7 buildings. About 198 units.  About $150,000 increase on the project for the erected buildings.

Still moving ahead, since the project "numbers" only work with the whole site completed. Our builder is actually going to buy the Steel rebar now versus in 3 months, and store. He does other Steel work and thinks both the price and Availability will get out of reach.  I agree with him.  I think there will be a Choke point on the West coast Cargo Ship ports as the economy plays catchup from last year.  Steel will have to battle, staplers, lawn mowers and plastic tubs, to get on a ship and get unloaded and distributed.

This is a solid location from both a Customer and a competition standpoint, so we can take on the additional costs.  A weaker location, would have to do some re-calculations.

If you have used historical data on a project you are running the numbers on, you might re-do the figures and challenge them.

"Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early."  You will still get Whacked sometimes even when you have learned a lot, but you can absorb it, when your bigger.

Post: Commercial RE in Southern California

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@Michael Kim

Recommend you put more thought and description into the type of CRE. This will help both you and the realtor to focus.

Retail store fronts, offices, Medical complexes, Storage, Truckstops, Parking lots, bowling alley, Governmental, contractor buildings, etc.  Narrow down your investment search.  Would also narrow down a geographic location.  

Be able to understand this situation. Given the same Dollar investment, same ROI, same Cap rate, etc. Why would you pick location A over B? Future value growth, stable market areas (college, government, airports, hospitals, etc). More square footage, more parking, better road access, next to anchor businesses that compliment yours.

Define the above to help you and your realtor narrow your focus.

Don't recommend you approach this from a purely financial Target standpoint and end up with a mixed bag of investments, unless that is part of your investment strategy.

Post: Commercial Property Advertising

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Can you provide more info.  What is the building type, what type of clientele, parking, accessibility, etc.  

Commercial- gas station, offices, warehouse, retail shops, garages, etc.

Post: Commercial in RoundRock, TX

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@Raimmi Khan

Hello Mr Khan.  Although I have never been to Round Rock, I need to go there.  My grandmother grew up there, but I never made it.

Look out on Loopnet.  Just a 1/2 acre of land is running $350,000 for commercial.  Unless you are going to develop a piece of ground into a business and use the $300k as a downpayment, there are no "Traditional" opportunities at that size.

With that said, can you be more specific in what your desires are?  If you don't plan to manage or develop, it may be better to invest in a Syndication instead.

There are potential investments at $300k, but have to understand your objectives.  Both managerially, risk and return.

Post: Truck Parking/Semi-Trailer Parking

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Actually Self Driving Trucks will create additional demand and a new market.  Actually had this conversation with a truck company owner/driver.

Premise- These self driving trucks will be used between cities and markets, but not within cities.  There will be staging/depot area on the outsides of each city.  Similar to rail yards.

Might be okay for a truck to drive down a highway, seeing what's on all sides of them.  Even being warned of accidents and detours ahead.  Don't know about Black Ice situation.  But now put it in a tight area, with vehicles making sharp turns, people walking, new Obstructions- open road sites with small barriers, etc.  It will be a while before that occurs.

20 years ago we had self driving Forklifts in our large warehouse.  The driver got a schedule.  The computer knew where each location was.  4 tiers high.  The operator was only on the machine to reach over and get the product.  The forklift went down the rows, elevated the lifts to the proper spot and then went to the staging location to unload.  So a lot of this technology and thought process is old.