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All Forum Posts by: Collin Hays

Collin Hays has started 119 posts and replied 2501 times.

Post: How long once going live on Airbnb did you start getting steady bookings?

Collin Hays
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You should start getting bookings almost immediately.  If not, re-check everything - listing, photos, rates, booking policies, etc.

Often, newbies have rates that are too high and/or booking policies that are far too onerous.

Post: Is a Loft a Bedroom?

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For overnight rentals, functionally it is a bedroom.

Post: Holiday Bookings - Busy or Bust?

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Our December is about the same as last December, which is actually a RELIEF for me. I see things steadying...

Post: STR soap and toilet paper

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Costco and Dollar General, all the way.

Post: How do you screen an STR tenant ?

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You can't reasonably screen your guests. Trouble makers aren't generally renting expensive homes in resort areas.  

Post: Provide toothbrushes to guests?

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Quote from @Marc Shin:

Should i be providing disposable toothbrushes and extra toothpaste to guests?  Is this an amenity worth spending $$ on?


 It's a nice touch, but it won't help your reviews I wouldn't think.

Post: If you were to start now, where would you choose?

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I'm always bullish on the Smokies.

Post: Inside mount or outside mount blinds?

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Inside mounts, and we've had good look with the cordless, roman style shades.  

Post: Considering Selling 2 Bedroom Cabin Gatlinburg

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Quote from @Luke Carl:

Your income is also low. If that were my property (again having not seen it) I would be able to get 80k out of it. 

You haven't seen it, but you know automatically that that you can increase the rent by $25K a year?   

Luke, my man.  

Post: Considering Selling 2 Bedroom Cabin Gatlinburg

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Quote from @Mike H.:

@Cole Harris
Keep in mind that square footage has a lot to do with pricing as much as bedroom count and/or revenue.  A two bedroom 1,300 sq ft cabin is going to go for way less than a 2 bed, 2,400 sq ft cabin.

One of the issues out there too is that some are setup as legal 2 bedroom cabins because of the septic but then they have lofts and such that allow you to rent them out as 3 or even four bedroom cabins to improve the rent.

You mentioned one nearby you with a similar layout. I see two that sold there in last 6 months - one was a 2 bed, 2,500 sq ft cabin that sold for 885k last week. And another 2 bed, 1750 sq ft cabin that sold for 775k in october.  So your number of 715k may not be too far off depending on the square footage and also the age of the cabin.

For anybody to suggest otherwise without knowing more information on your specific cabin isn't giving you the best advice to be honest.  However, your revenue is really low. But is that your actual revenue? 50k to 60k gross rental income? Thats really low for that area and for that price.  Could that possibly be your net income after fees and such? How often do you use it personally or let friends/relatives stay? 

Be careful when you start thinking other sales will equate to the same numbers for your property.  Cabin rentals out there are not like houses for primary residences. Sales prices on previous built cabins are going to be driven a lot by revenue. Now some other investors may believe they can boost your revenue quite a bit but they don't want to pay for that projected boost.  They want to pay based on what you're actually making.

But I also believe that the square footage of the cabin plays a big part too. Does it have a pool? I'm guessing not or your revenue should be significantly greater. 

Still, its a great subdivision and there are a lot of investors that know what kind of revenue those cabins should be generating.  But your pricing is going to be hurt by your income.  Based on income alone, I could buy a 30k lot in sky harbor and build a 2 bedroom 1,400 sq ft cabin that generates 50k to 60k in rental income all day long (if not closer to 55k to 65k).   And nobody is paying more than 550k for that cabin even with it being new construction.

Its been a couple of months though so I'm curious to know if you were able to sell it or not and if so at what price.   But based on that area and depending on the size of your cabin, you may not be as far off on your price as people here think - even with your lower revenue numbers (assuming you didn't accidentally give us net instead of gross revenue). 

A lot more comes down to price per square foot than people outside that area understand. 

I'll have to disagree on that. I've been investing in and around Gatlinburg for 20 years, and the sales price is way more about yield than square footage. I have a friend who bought two very small houses - 500 square feet each - for $1 million just two years ago.  They are right on the Roaring Fork River. You aren't touching anything on the Roaring Fork for almost any price, no matter the square footage.

Location is king, because location equals desirability, and desirability translates into more rental demand, and in some cases, substantially more.