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Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
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Originally posted by @Gail K.:
First tenants we ever had lied on their application regarding their landlord. I was new at the game and contacted this person who gave glowing reports about these folks and stated they had lived in her place for four years and were only moving because she was selling the place. This was a mom and her adult daughter (plus two teen age girls) who rented my house.
Initially they faithfully paid the rent each month; even calling me to come and pick it up (yes; I was so new at the game I was driving over to get the rent). Then after one of the teens (who moved in either looking like she'd has a really good dinner or was pregnant..it was the latter) delivered her baby things rapidly went downhill. Junior became the reason the rent was late. Finally seven months into the lease they moved out one weekend leaving me with what ended up with 42 bags of garbage (at one point I was using a garden rake to get down to the layers of garbage left in the new moms bedroom).
One thing I did learn from all of this is to go through the paperwork in the garbage tenants leave behind. They did take all the "important" stuff (the silk flowers) but left behind the "unimportant" things, including bank statements, dads death certificate (!), two old leases and (very kindly) their new lease.
Contacting previous landlords I found these two had a habit of residing in a rental unit anywhere from six to nine months (so much for the "landlord friend" who gave me the report of renting for four years) and taking off, leaving the places a disaster. Another landlord and I were able to file against them since we now knew their new address and drag them into court to sue them for owed rent and damages (won but got a minor amount back through garnishment since a good portion of mom's finances were through social security). These two cost me about $3500 with their lies.
A long winded story perhaps but since that time I've had several potential tenants who have lied on my application; sometimes denying previous evictions, sometimes listing fake landlords. If they lie on the application about any of this, I go no further in screening them.
Gail
Great share!
Amazing how many people try use a fake landlord. That's why if they are local, I verify the landlord online and do a surprise visit to the house to sign something or collect money. This allows me to see if they really live there, their cleanliness and any pets that they didn't declare and might up as "just visiting".
Got a good laugh about the important info they leave behind. Amazing how they walk away with all this financial info lay around. Had it happen a couple of times. My partner on a property actually rented to someone that I had previous disqualified a year before when the unit was previously available. They told her it was short term 6 months or so as they had purchased a house and were rehabbing it. Turned out to be a horrible tenant. Collecting rent was like a game. Left a ton of crap. However, found the paperwork for the house they purchased. Turns out it was 6 houses down from my residence. They were slowly remodeling it. Well about a dozen overloaded pickup and utility trailer loads of there crap were nicely delivered to the house. Filled the garage, the side door was open so we filled the hallway straight to the basement. Another door the opened to an elevator shaft got filled. Best part we charged them a moving fee! Added it to the judgement that we liened against the house.
Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
- Posts 54
- Votes 14
Originally posted by @Marcia Maynard:
It depends on how you approached this at the beginning and what you have found out since. Perhaps you could have found out more during a screening interview, prior to accepting her application.
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Nice feedback. After years of trying different methods, I personally have found it best, for me, to make the phone call quick and schedule people into time slots. Granted many don't show, so I usually do double bookings and during the walk through I tend to qualify them. It seems to take less time.
As to your reply to my question, I do tend to relay much the same information about honesty. I've learned that there are many horrible landlords in town, so I do listen to the stories and verify them. I know the city inspectors pretty well at this point so they often give me their opinion and background that I use to match up the stories. In this case, the PM, Bob, was clearly lying about the tenant. As far as the security, I already ask for the max allowed, (first, last and one security). Unless they have really good references and credit I won't work with them on this. I actually had accepted a deposit, but they previous prospect couldn't come up with the other 2 months in time.
Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
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- Votes 14
Originally posted by @Jon Klaus:
I'd pass. Looks like everyone else would, too. How much is rent?
$700. Going rate should be $600 to $650. Once I install a bath on the third floor in the master suite I can up it to around $750.
Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
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Originally posted by @Wesley W.:
I big "NO." Remember, an empty unit is better than an occupied unit with a bad tenant. Tenants are supposed to be on their "best behavior" during the application process, putting themselves in the most positive light possible. It only gets worse from here.
It sounds a bit like you are trying to rationalize the situation in order to fill your vacancy. Remember, you are running a business, and there are prospective tenants out there that deserve a clean, well-maintained place to live. They're just not always the first person through your door at a showing.
Actually it's been on open for 2 months. Had one tenant give a months deposit, but they couldn't come up with the other 2 months to move in. (they lost the deposit) Parking is the real issue. It's a small one-way street with parking on only one side. The other side of the street has no backyard access for parking so very few house have a spot for even 1 car. People are often forced to park a block away. This unit has access to the alleyway but the parking is for my other tenants.
Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
- Posts 54
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Originally posted by @Jerry W.:
I guess the problem comes down to this. Is your property in such a bad neighborhood you will just take anybody who can pay the first months rent? If so then rent to them. If you think you can find a decent reliable tenant to rent to then wait and rent to them. One problem with rentals in bad neighborhoods is the small pool of good tenants.
Very much so. Usually the first question I'm asked is "Do accept Section 8?" Even though right next to the phone number it states "No Section 8"
Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
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Originally posted by @George Kaberlein:
If they lied (or for that matter omitted something rather than filling in "N/A" if not applicable as instructed) on the application, their application would be denied in our business. Your defense of the applicant is justified by the property "scaring off great tenants", and they have good credit. Perhaps a reevaluation of the property is justified, maybe something that could attract great tenants, and not just ones whose credit is good but lack integrity?
I have been upgrading the unit. Unfortunately the neighborhood is slowly going downhill. I purchased it as I owned the other half, but not this side, and I wanted to control who lives in there. Nightmare, from the previous owner/tenant. Never buy half a house!
Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
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Originally posted by @Dawn Anastasi:
Don't make having pity on someone a reason to rent to them. They are starting the relationship on a lie and now you've acknowledged that you're the type of landlord they can lie to, and if you find out you'll forgive them. That's a disaster waiting to happen.
YES, The pity thing was a hard lesson, even still, to learn.
Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
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Originally posted by @John Thedford:
PASS! Find an honest tenant with nothing to hide.
For this property in this neighborhood, there just isn't alot of perfect tenants. No OSP (little onstreet available), shootings and poor schools, tend to scare off great tenants. Plus a next door neighbor that has broken into this house and stolen my tools and my electrical contractors tools (Legal disclaimer - My personal opinion, not provable) I don't like leaving it empty for long. Besides, if they are decent credit, they could buy a house for cheaper than the rent. Don't get me wrong, it's not the ghetto. It is safe. I've never felt threatened at any hour of the day here. I have a large garage for rental properties in the alley way behind this house so I'm around alot.
Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
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- Votes 14
Originally posted by @Amanda Perkins:
No. Unfortunately land lording can make you jaded, but it's not worth the risk. Based on past experience, having a vacant unit longer is better than putting the wrong tenant in a unit.
Damages like you're describing cost a lot to fix and they haven't paid rent yet or given proper notice. They will do the same to you!
I might have not been clear. The only damages that I saw as "tenant related" was a kitchen drawer faceplate. I saw no holes in the walls as the PM stated or trash around. The yard was spotless and well maintained. The mold smell in the kitchen was from the basement. Which, if it was from water penetration from the outside it's on the owner. The house is about 100 yr old. so the foundation is exposed in the basement, only a partition wall made of sheetrock was down there and it was covered from floor to ceiling in mold. Stagnant water on the ground. 20+ yrs of experience I'm putting this on the owner. Add in the PM Bob obvious was lying to me about the damage. Tenant also complained about the pigeons roosting under the eves and getting into the attic. I'm just not buying the PMs side on this one. Especially, when his assistant was sad to hear they were leaving.
Post: Tenant Lied On Rental App. Would you Rent to them?

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- Wilkes Barre, PA
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Originally posted by @Matthew Kreitzer:
There would be a number of reasons not to rent to this individual, both legally and economically. If your lease required truth in answering the questions, failure to enforce such a provision could cause you to have waived a number of other rights and obligations under the lease, as well as open you up to liability.
From a business perspective, do you truly want a tenant like this?
Ahh, didn't think about the legal side. No offense, but this is why I avoid Attorney's as tenants. One bad one can really ruin your day. LOL.
However, the first line here in Pa. for evictions and judgements is in front of a magistrate. Though they might have a couple of weeks of legal training they don't always know the letter of the law. Basically, if the tenant didn't pay the rent they show up to court they lose. If they try to claim the property is uninhabitable, they would have needed to have put the rent into escrow or for the most part the judge won't even listen to the story. (As a landlord you can't even file unless the city has inspected the property within the last 2 yrs and passed it as occupiable) Usually 45 days and they are out. They can only appeal to the county court if the put the whole amount of the judgement in escrow with the court. (I've never heard this happen). In our area, at this rental level we don't see a lot of litigation on the level your talking about. Granted, my lease is 12 pages long. For the most part only the stuff in the first half of the first page even gets mentioned.