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All Forum Posts by: Curtis Porter

Curtis Porter has started 1 posts and replied 36 times.

Post: Expanding your str portfolio

Curtis PorterPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Peoria Arizona
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

The best thing I did was buying a primary home and using equity to purchase a rental. I made some mistakes a long the way and it took me 17 years but things start to snowball once you get your first.  

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Wow! This is super awesome. Keep it up! :)

Thank you!  
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Gratz! I didn't read the post though. Just that everyone said it was awesome.

That wall of text with no breaks...just can't do it.

Thank you! Want me to add pictures?  Lol jk 

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I assume you’re doing flips or have other properties now since 22k is below the poverty level?

HA! No I live off of $22k, other house is a cardboard box. I have a cohost business and a STR maintenance business. It's been a whirlwind for sure.

Hey Curtis, congrats!  I love hearing stories like yours.  I’m curious what made you decide to start your cohosting and maintenance business?  What was the transition like from running your own STR to now 17+?
I got involved in local Airbnb FB groups and saw a need for on call handyman work. It’s really hard to find people to help out quickly and with Airbnb guests you need immediate help.  I was working for Hitachi powertools at the time and had lots of tools and new how to fix things so I started helping out owners who self managed out of state.  That quickly became a full time job and I was able to get a unique perspective of STR.  I met clients through that business who asked me to help cohost.  It’s really hard to do cohosting or managing unless you have a stream of clients that are investors like real estate agents or lenders would have.  Where you can scoop up business easily.  I didn’t get my first cohost client until Nov 21.  The rest came in 2022 and 2023.  All word of mouth referrals or clients I had worked with.  I stay pretty active in those Local FB groups and that’s where the majority of my business comes from. 
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@Brooklyn McCarty:    @Avery Carl   @John Underwood:
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@Curtis Porter, thanks for coming back to post that old draft.  You have had a wild ride, and I’m glad you shared it with us.  

Our original goal, probably from Rich Dad Poor Dad, was 5 houses that were paid off.  My thought was to replace my military pension, as I got out early to take care of our kids.  I started out by doing everything myself, because we were young military with very little extra income.  We kept adding houses and doing less work as time went on.  I have purchased 39 houses while serving my country and then being a full time mom as my husband finished his career.  I think my pension would be $2000 or so a month, in comparison to the rental income generated by even those original 5 houses.

Wow that’s amazing!  My plan was 5 houses too in the next 8 years but then the market went crazy.  Waiting to see what happens in the next year or so.  In the meantime I’ll just keep growing my business. 

I just bought a 5 bed 3 bath with pool in North Phoenix under Shadow Mtn to rehab and turn into an STR. Almost ready to go live.

In January AirDNA said $545 per night average for trailing 12 months with 67% occupancy, it now says $303 per night average for trailing 12 months with 71.1% occupancy. That's a drop from $131K gross a year to $77k gross a year or about a 58.7% drop. Obviously that's a huge drop. I understand this is the slow season but the numbers supposedly are for a twelve month period in both instances and are supposed to reflect similar bookings near by.

So, I'm curious if you have seen a drop year on year?

Or, is AirDNA that much off the mark and therefore useless?

I’d be curious to see your property.  I manage a 3 bed 2 bath right by shadow mountain. Non heated pool, sleeps 6 but a really cool back yard.  Last year grossed $70k.  This year to date it’s done $38k.   there’s a massive slowdown Going on.  It really depends on how high end your property is and what amenities you offer.  In the winter I can see you getting $500/night, my guess is you’re gonna sleep 10?  Your first year is the hardest.  I takes a while to ramp up bookings, get reviews etc.  You will probably need to come down in price to incentivize bookings but it’s hard to say without seeing the property.   there’s an over abundance of mid range rentals so it’s driving down rates.  I have 2 rentals of my own and I cohost/manage another 17 with 2 more coming on board.  I’m spread out through Scottsdale, N Phoenix and the west side. I have some super high end ones and some mid range.   
It's around the corner from yours. ;-) Same HOA. I'll DM you the address. There is one directly across from me, yours which is about a block and a half away and two others a couple of blocks south. The view from the upper deck is the McDowells.



That property for the last 365 days has a 69% occupancy rate. It’s down 13% from the previous 365.  Some of this is skewed a little due to cancellations we allowed but my rolling average on all homes is 72%.  That number will come up a bit by December as many of these listings are newer.  
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@Brooklyn McCarty:    @Avery Carl   @John Underwood:
Quote from @Kerry Baird:

@Curtis Porter, thanks for coming back to post that old draft.  You have had a wild ride, and I’m glad you shared it with us.  

Our original goal, probably from Rich Dad Poor Dad, was 5 houses that were paid off.  My thought was to replace my military pension, as I got out early to take care of our kids.  I started out by doing everything myself, because we were young military with very little extra income.  We kept adding houses and doing less work as time went on.  I have purchased 39 houses while serving my country and then being a full time mom as my husband finished his career.  I think my pension would be $2000 or so a month, in comparison to the rental income generated by even those original 5 houses.

Wow that’s amazing!  My plan was 5 houses too in the next 8 years but then the market went crazy.  Waiting to see what happens in the next year or so.  In the meantime I’ll just keep growing my business. 

I just bought a 5 bed 3 bath with pool in North Phoenix under Shadow Mtn to rehab and turn into an STR. Almost ready to go live.

In January AirDNA said $545 per night average for trailing 12 months with 67% occupancy, it now says $303 per night average for trailing 12 months with 71.1% occupancy. That's a drop from $131K gross a year to $77k gross a year or about a 58.7% drop. Obviously that's a huge drop. I understand this is the slow season but the numbers supposedly are for a twelve month period in both instances and are supposed to reflect similar bookings near by.

So, I'm curious if you have seen a drop year on year?

Or, is AirDNA that much off the mark and therefore useless?

I’d be curious to see your property.  I manage a 3 bed 2 bath right by shadow mountain. Non heated pool, sleeps 6 but a really cool back yard.  Last year grossed $70k.  This year to date it’s done $38k.   there’s a massive slowdown Going on.  It really depends on how high end your property is and what amenities you offer.  In the winter I can see you getting $500/night, my guess is you’re gonna sleep 10?  Your first year is the hardest.  I takes a while to ramp up bookings, get reviews etc.  You will probably need to come down in price to incentivize bookings but it’s hard to say without seeing the property.   there’s an over abundance of mid range rentals so it’s driving down rates.  I have 2 rentals of my own and I cohost/manage another 17 with 2 more coming on board.  I’m spread out through Scottsdale, N Phoenix and the west side. I have some super high end ones and some mid range.   
Quote from @Kerry Baird:

@Curtis Porter, thanks for coming back to post that old draft.  You have had a wild ride, and I’m glad you shared it with us.  

Our original goal, probably from Rich Dad Poor Dad, was 5 houses that were paid off.  My thought was to replace my military pension, as I got out early to take care of our kids.  I started out by doing everything myself, because we were young military with very little extra income.  We kept adding houses and doing less work as time went on.  I have purchased 39 houses while serving my country and then being a full time mom as my husband finished his career.  I think my pension would be $2000 or so a month, in comparison to the rental income generated by even those original 5 houses.

Wow that’s amazing!  My plan was 5 houses too in the next 8 years but then the market went crazy.  Waiting to see what happens in the next year or so.  In the meantime I’ll just keep growing my business. 

Post: Short Term Rental Cleaners

Curtis PorterPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Peoria Arizona
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Curious how your rental is going?  I know a few good cleaning companies that I use.  Well and good is one and Kleenwerx is the other.    

Post: Should I let someone Airbnb Arbitrage my home?

Curtis PorterPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Peoria Arizona
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Be careful, A lot of these requests come from Indonesia etc. I currently arbitrage a place in Scottsdale and it's going very well, but I have a legit local Airbnb business. It can be good for your property especially with how many cleans it gets per month and all the upkeep and maintenance it needs to stay rentable and get good reviews. BUT there's a lot of dumb kids trying get rich schemes and have no business trying to arbitrage. If your property is STR worthy I would think about doing it yourself or partnering with someone. Start up costs to furnish are $15-$20k. Realistically mid range rentals are going to gross $50k year one depending on what city, amenities etc. My arbitrage deal is for 3 years as the first year is basically break even. Where is yours located?

Post: investors in Scottsdale, Arizona, help with deal analysis

Curtis PorterPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Peoria Arizona
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Don't do it! No pool is a huge issue and once you factor in furnishings, utilities etc you'll be lucky to break even in 2 years. You also need someone who lives within an hour drive of the property. I cohost two very Nice properties in OT, there's so many STR's that are going LTR right now, especially ones without pools.

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