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All Forum Posts by: David Song

David Song has started 24 posts and replied 662 times.

Post: Home builder building affordable modern entry level homes

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884
Quote from @Dennis Tidwell:

My partners and I are about to close a deal with a landbank and private lot owners to develop 50 Modern entry level homes within walking distance to an awesome (recently renovated) historic downtown. We believe that these new properties will attract Millennials and recent graduates who are able to work from home to choose to live here outside of Atlanta where it's much more affordable. This new buying pattern is called the "donut effect". We believe that our location is the right place and right time for this type of project.

The plan (below) is 2BR/ 2.5BA will list for $260k. and cost us $160k to build (sticks and bricks). We import high-end construction products at 30 cents on the dollar (been doing that for years). Our plan is to build 4 at a time and start the next four when they pre-sale. 

My question: What would be the best way to finance this project. It's in an opportunity zone. Is it possible to get a straight bridge loan (10%, no points) or should we just do a normal spec loans? How can we leverage the tax advantages here?

I am interested 

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @David Song:
Quote from @Greg R.:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Greg R.:
Quote from @David Song:

@Greg R.

Housing prices will always go up. Buy anytime. - bigger pockets.com

Reality: numerous REI lost their life savings in 2009 and maybe 2022. Over leveraging, insufficient reserve, short term loan with balloon payment, etc.

Flippers bought in Q1 2022 will learn the lesson now. Many of them are losing their shirt. None will tell you publicly.

The price decline started in April 2022, and has been declining for the last 4 months. The bottom has not been reached yet. This is nationwide, from CA to Texas, everywhere. 

Couldn't agree more. There seems to be a fantasy land that some folks are living in where prices never go down, and no matter the conditions - it's always the right time to buy. And you're right, the people who've lost everything from the flips they bought in Q1 are awfully quiet right now. Too much ego/ pride to come on BP forms and expose their foolishness. 

 Foolishness   little harsh dont you think ?   

Apologies if that came off as harsh. My point is that when "know-it-alls" screw up and make a foolish move, they have too much pride and ego to come clean - hence we never hear from them. And I'm not referring to you or anyone specific. 

Obviously not all flippers who purchased in Q1 lost their shirt, but a lot of them did. Don't expect any to come forward with their hands raised admitting it. 


 At least in SF Bay Area, I have seen multiple flips gone wrong, at 1m to 3 m price point. One guy bought a property across the street from one of my rental for 968k, complete gutted the house and listed for 1.8-1.9 m a few months ago. It did not move. I went inside and it looked pretty nice. If he listed in Q1, he can easily sell for 1.8-1.9 m range. Now, he can not get 1.5m. Location, San Mateo, ca.

There are many more such flips that will not be known to average people. Actual investors are feeling pain. That is simply a fact. Denial will not help.

 Some of these flippers are not good economic readers or they're just simply unlucky.

1) We knew from 2021 that Fed going to reverse QE in 2022. They started reserving QE on Jan 2, 2022.
2) Russia attacked Ukraine on Feb 27, 2022. Commodity skyrocketed and 10-year note reached new high a week later.
It's a perfect storm to melt-up the MBS market.

If the flipper bought in Q4 2021 they will see this problem.
Actually flipper in Bay area is losing money also in 2019 when Fed reduces QE.

Reading macro economy is actually more important than reading biggerpocket how much the cost a plumber, as if one can timing the market correctly , they can make good investment and avoid turbulent (not market crash) market. 

If one refinances their house with 2% rate in 2020-2021 ; you are all good for 30 years and this market crash is just a blip in history.

btw if you use statistic from Zillow H.I. There's still no crash, only flat market nationwide. There are huge price reductions where there's oversupply like NV and AZ. Most CF market is weak but nothing crashed. Even Hawaii property is still appreciating higher than Bay Area. lol...

What's actually scary is the latest Fed Chairman seems to be okay for people to lose jobs and unemployment started rising as long as they can kill inflation. 


 When prices drop, our portfolio will shrink in value on paper. Nobody likes that very much. However, I was amazed at how some folks keep refusing to accept the fact and keep denying price drop. Let us be honest. It does not matter what we call it, correction or recession or crash, it is a price drop. 

What will happen next, keep dropping or stabilizing? Anyone’s guess. I start to see more people at open houses the last weekend. But will the market start to turn around? I am afraid not. Sellers are panicking and reduces their prices to move their listing. New listings are priced lower. Rates might keep going up.

Is this good or bad? Actually I like it. The price drop will create some potential buying opportunities for cash buyers. Violent price fluctuations are where money is made. By end of 2022, I think we will have a better judgement on the market condition.

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884
Quote from @Greg R.:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Greg R.:
Quote from @David Song:

@Greg R.

Housing prices will always go up. Buy anytime. - bigger pockets.com

Reality: numerous REI lost their life savings in 2009 and maybe 2022. Over leveraging, insufficient reserve, short term loan with balloon payment, etc.

Flippers bought in Q1 2022 will learn the lesson now. Many of them are losing their shirt. None will tell you publicly.

The price decline started in April 2022, and has been declining for the last 4 months. The bottom has not been reached yet. This is nationwide, from CA to Texas, everywhere. 

Couldn't agree more. There seems to be a fantasy land that some folks are living in where prices never go down, and no matter the conditions - it's always the right time to buy. And you're right, the people who've lost everything from the flips they bought in Q1 are awfully quiet right now. Too much ego/ pride to come on BP forms and expose their foolishness. 

 Foolishness   little harsh dont you think ?   

Apologies if that came off as harsh. My point is that when "know-it-alls" screw up and make a foolish move, they have too much pride and ego to come clean - hence we never hear from them. And I'm not referring to you or anyone specific. 

Obviously not all flippers who purchased in Q1 lost their shirt, but a lot of them did. Don't expect any to come forward with their hands raised admitting it. 


 At least in SF Bay Area, I have seen multiple flips gone wrong, at 1m to 3 m price point. One guy bought a property across the street from one of my rental for 968k, complete gutted the house and listed for 1.8-1.9 m a few months ago. It did not move. I went inside and it looked pretty nice. If he listed in Q1, he can easily sell for 1.8-1.9 m range. Now, he can not get 1.5m. Location, San Mateo, ca.

There are many more such flips that will not be known to average people. Actual investors are feeling pain. That is simply a fact. Denial will not help.

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

@Greg R.

Housing prices will always go up. Buy anytime. - bigger pockets.com

Reality: numerous REI lost their life savings in 2009 and maybe 2022. Over leveraging, insufficient reserve, short term loan with balloon payment, etc.

Flippers bought in Q1 2022 will learn the lesson now. Many of them are losing their shirt. None will tell you publicly.

The price decline started in April 2022, and has been declining for the last 4 months. The bottom has not been reached yet. This is nationwide, from CA to Texas, everywhere. 

Post: Any sign of stabilizing in Las Vegas market?

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

@Mary L.

Similar here in Bay Area. This recession started abruptly and price dropped very quickly, unlike the last big recession in 2008-2009. Whether this recession will last a few years like the 2009 recession is up to debate, which I do not believe will be. This might be the real buying opportunity that I have been waiting for for years. 

Post: Any sign of stabilizing in Las Vegas market?

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

Last two years, LV and SF bay both have significant appreciation, where bay area showed a much higher appreciation than LV. Selling in bay area to buy in LV 2 years ago is a really smart idea.

Post: Any sign of stabilizing in Las Vegas market?

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

@Account Closed

Thanks for the detailed market report and honest opinion. When I look for a realtor, I always trust those who provide honest opinion about negativity in their market.

I visited Vegas in November 2020 and checked out a few properties. The realtor was managing thousands of SFR in Vegas, where majority of the owners were from LA or SF. He provided me with free nights stay in one of their vacant properties.

Las Vegas will be severely damaged in a recession, much more so than SF bay area, IMHO. SF bay area is already in a severe correction range, with price dropping about 15-20% compared to the peak archived in 1q 2022. It will be surprising if Vegas can somehow escape this correction.

All of my investment properties are in Bay Area, but I am actively observing Las Vegas for potential opportunities, for larger apartments, strip malls, industrial warehouses, etc.

Post: HELP. Subdividing my property and building a duplex on it.

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884
Quote from @Jacob Ortiz:

Hey BP community I need your Help & Input  please . 

       I want to take advantage of the new Senate Bill 9 (SB9) in California . With SB9 Cities must allow up to two lots (and up to four homes total) within single-family residential zones without any discretionary review as long as your property . Every city in California is handling this new legislation differently and have their own procedures . Here is the city of riversides FAQ for anyone who wants general information about SB9. 

 SB9 Riverside FAQ's

SB9 Lot Configurations 

      I am a fairly new investor . I currently own a 2 unit property in Riverside, California . The lot is .53 acres and 60% of the land is vacant and the other 40% already has 2 units on it so this is perfect for a lot split . I have already talked to the city planning department and they were extremely helpful . My property passes their pre-clearance and looks like I will be able to perform the subdivision under SB9  . I figure I already own the land why not build on it if the numbers make sense . The plan is to perform an "Urban Lot Split" , subdivide the property 60%-40% and build a Duplex on the new parcel since I will be able to get another address and separate utilities. I am currently talking to a residential land surveyor to  work on a site survey and Parcel Map proposal for me ,  up to the Tentative Parcel Map Approval. 

Here is where I need help . I really need to get an estimate on what it would cost to build a duplex on my property. I have the funds to perform the urban lot split and pay an architect for plans . To finance building the project Ive talked to a couple Hard Money lenders and thinking about doing a second mortgage on the property . Thoughts ? The property is worth around $570k right now and I owe $415K . My estimated ARV with adding the duplex should be 1.2million. Is leveraging my original property to fund building a duplex on the new separate parcel a smart idea?

What do you guys think of this plan ? Open to all ideas . Also just curious if you guys want to follow me along my project I will keep posting along the way . 

This is dangerous. Do not do it until you are clear on the construction cost. Riverside has a pretty low price per sf for existing houses. The recent high construction cost might make your effort worthless or even negative. Bottom line, if your construction cost is $350-400/sf, the newly built house is only worth around $400/sf. That would be a losing deal for sure. Remember: after the split, the value of your original house decreases. 

I will only do it in markets where final product sale is at least double the construction cost on per sf basis. $800/sf product minimum.

Post: Listings suddenly flooding Phoenix Valley home market - say wha??

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

Price is dropping. There is no need to deny something that is happening. In Bay Area, it has dropped at least 15% compared to march, 2022, where the peak was. If compared with 1 year ago, it probably is still up significantly.

Timing is important in REI.

Post: Remodel for $1m worth it? Please help!

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

Sounds like the in laws have the money and experience. Learn from them.  1 M renovation is common for stud job in CA. No need to alarm.

If the ARV is over 3 M, why not?
if each unit brings in $3500, 4 units would be $14000. For total purchase plus repair cost of 2.3m, this is a reasonable deal, if the location is good.
In Bay Area, this property will easily sell over $2.6-2.8m. You can just flip it.