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All Forum Posts by: Daniel Jodrey

Daniel Jodrey has started 20 posts and replied 80 times.

Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Steve Milford:

I don't know where you're at with this thing, but #1 your taxes are way too low. If those were his taxes and he's an older gentleman he's probably has senior exemption. So after closing, those taxes are going to reset to real taxes of $4,500 or more, which kills the cash flow you're projecting. I ran the list of available rentals in the Portland area and those taxes average from $1,800 to $2,500 per unit annually. Also if you're going to have 6% seller concessions, an option is you could go with only 10% down. That would give you cash in the bank for reserves. Yes, there's a little PMI but it doesn't take up a large amount of cash. Another option, if you pay for loan fees outside of the rate then the rate will come down and you can also push that loan fee down. My disclosure is I am both a realtor and a loan officer, give me a ring if wanted. I'm open to helping as a loan officer or Realtor, or both.

 Hi @Steve Milford!

Great call on the taxes. I went back in and looked and realized the taxes it was displaying was only YTD for 2025 - that is my error. 2024 taxes ended at $4,731. 

We are beginning to lean toward 10% down to hold onto more capital. From my understanding, we could move into one room (likely the smallest room) and per Vancouver STR regulations - we could rent out the other two rooms on our side via STR without needing a permit. We also would be open to co-living and renting out those two rooms on our side to maximize cash flow.

If we do get 6% credit, the idea as of now is to pay off all closing costs (estimating roughly $12,000) then use about $20,000 to buy rate down to around 5.85% and then use remaining few grand to either prepay PMI or possibly a home warranty - what are your thoughts on that?

Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Christine Mulkins:

Hi Daniel!  Just a few thoughts come to mind... if your monthly total expenses are about $3900 with 20% down and you rent out just the 1 side for $2100, you'll be negative ~$1800 per month. Moving into 1 side can slow down the process of getting the 2nd unit rent ready so I'm thinking you should consider renting both sides out from the start.  Like you mentioned, start with the one that needs less work first, get that unit filled, and then work on the next place.  If the duplex is in a very desirable area in high demand and close to lots of amenities, you shouldn't need to spend too much money getting the places "rent ready."  Especially if they're giving off the 70's charm, if the places are in pretty good shape but are just outdated, then a fresh coat of paint, potentially new floors (LVP, carpet, or both), and a good cleaning might be all they need?  I agree with you that each unit having a garage and backyard is a huge bonus.  You'll likely be competing with neighboring large multifamily properties so having a space that feels like a home to a prospective tenant is a big bonus.  

While Rentometer is a good first step, my husband and I always search Craigslist to see what rents are for local competition.  This should give you a better gauge of how to price your units.  Who knows, maybe you could even get a little more for your units?

Last thought...since this would be your first rental property deal and you're buying in Oregon, please be sure you're familiar with Oregon landlord/tenant laws and in particular, the laws in Portland.  The City of Portland has its own set of stricter, tenant friendly rules.  These set of rules can make it extremely costly to a landlord should you ever need to evict a tenant.  Just keep this in mind.  This is not meant to scare you or discourage you at all.  My husband and I still buy down where we live in Southern Oregon and everything has been fine.  Just being aware of the laws from the start is important to your success. :)  

If you need help with forms, I can send you some great local online resources where we get our leases, check-in reports, addendums, etc. 

Wishing you all the best!

 Hi @Christine Mulkins!

Really appreciate your time and feedback - sorry for the delayed response !

We have shifted mindset to possibly putting down 10% to keep some of that capital for repairs/future purchases. I know that when living in the house we are going to be owing money - I am not sure if house hacking these days provides anyone with $0 living. I am doing calculations with the assumption of renting out both units after 1 year and understanding we will be paying some mortgage in the first year. Let me know your thoughts and if I am not thinking correctly or can think in a different way.

The overall Duplex is good but a little funky. The third bedroom is very small and would only fit an office or possibly a nursery. there is only 1 full bath between the 3 rooms and a half bath downstairs. It has a few other strange things such as the interior garage door opens up through the half bath downstairs and also the toilet positioning in the bathroom is kinda odd and facing the sink/counter rather then away. Not a huge deal but just small things. We would need to replace flooring throughout each unit and paint. It also is built before 1978 and they provided disclosure they don't know of any lead paint. I am not sure if I am over thinking this but don't like the idea that we either continue operating as "don't know" and have to disclose to every future tenant/buyers or we get a test done and potentially have very expensive work be down to remedy. 

Great tip on Craigslist. I did look around as well as rents advertised on the main websites and it seems that 3 bedrooms with 1 1/2 bath go for around $2,000 to $2,300. I am thinking because the third bedroom is so small, it may be on the lower end of that scale. 

This property is actually on Washington state side, however I completely get and agree with what you are saying. I would be open to receiving any forms etc that may help me. 

Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23

@Katie Miller

Projected rents are $2100 -$2300

Monthly PITI if we put 10% down would be around $3,550

Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23
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@Daniel Jodrey It's hard to tell without a specific breakdown of the operating expenses, but what are you estimating to be your monthly loan payment? FWIW, most real estate developers/investors I work with would target an IRR of 16%-18% on a duplex. I'm also not seeing what you think the property will be worth in 5 years.

Hey @Jaycee Greene


What I’m getting in the calculations is:

Mortgage: $2782

Taxes: $226 

Insurance: $165

Variable Expenses (15% Maintenance/CapX/Vacancy) : $630

Fixed Expense:$50 ( for water , although likely would build into rents)

I would guesstimate with repairs the property would be worth around $650k so a potential of year 5 value of $718k

@Daniel Jodrey I assume those operating expenses are for the entire duplex, not just the tenant's portion? If so, I think you're a little light, but since it's a house hack, it's probably in the ballpark.

But what's your loan amount, $468k? And what interest rate are you using, it must be below 6%? I'm having a hard time getting to a mortgage payment of $2,782 in the current rate environment.

Hey @Jaycee Greene

We are trying to negotiate a sellers credit and would plan to use that credit to buy down the rate to around 6% or possibly lower if we end up using all the credit and pay closing costs ourselves.

 I am calculating for full duplex. 

@Daniel Jodrey That makes more sense. With that, I'm actually getting fairly close to your numbers. However, I would comment about the return being relatively low (even for a house hack). My CRE clients that focus on SFRs generally look for a return (I used IRR) anywhere from 15%-18%. The reason being, anything less they might as well put their money into the market (via a 401K, IRA, etc.) since the market on average returns 8%-12% a year with little to no effort. Just my 3 cents.

@Jaycee Greene

I can respect that and appreciate that. My mindset and thinking is I’m looking to build long term generational wealth. I’m ok with short term returns , knowing that I’m building wealth/equity that in the long term will fund our life. I am planning to hold for long term and acquire 5-7+ more that in 10-15 years will provide great cash flow as well as equity and a portfolio that will help us achieve financial freedom. 

We have waited so long to buy and am getting to a point where I feel I need to take action to get to my long term goals. What are your thoughts?


@Daniel Jodrey I assume this duplex is in an area near where you currently live (or want to live long-term)? I wouldn't want you to jump into this specific property because you feel you need to take action or you're getting impatient but looking at it through the "long-term lens" you describe, this seems to be a good starting point for you to build your real estate portfolio. 

One word of advice is to think about your "maximum" price you'd be willing to pay if the seller gets multiple offers and/or gets other offers over asking or without the credit. 

Good luck!

@Jaycee Greene 

I agree with your advice and something I am and have been thinking hard about. 

Yes this is in my area and where my family/friends are located. My wife and I have moved all over the US with Hospitality jobs, however have now moved back to this area to be close to our family and set some roots.


how is it a house hack if your renting both sides out ?  

@Jay Hinrichs

In running the numbers for when we would plan to move out in roughly a year

Post: How best to utilize seller credit

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Ying Tang:

Hi Daniel! Allocating credits to closing cost is pretty standard. Have you calculated the break even time length for rate buy down? I think there will be several rate cuts in the coming years and I would refinance a couple times during the next couple years instead of doing a rate buy down. 

 Hello @Ying Tang

Thank you for your time and responding!

We would plan to pay down closing costs which we estimate to be about $12,000. That would leave a remaining $24,000. I believe this should be roughly 3-4 years to break even. I have read that refinancing also costs money and of course rate growth/decrease is unknown. 


The deal we are looking at would cash flow at a rate of 6% or lower- however does not cash flow at current 6.85% rates. This is why I am thinking to use remaining $15k of the remaining $24,000 to buy rate down to 5.99%, and then still have roughly $7k left over for repairs etc.

Post: How best to utilize seller credit

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23

Hello BP!

Im looking into a deal and if all goes well am hoping to get a sellers credit of 6% which would be roughly $36000. If all this were to pan out, we would plan to pay off closing costs which we estimate to be roughly $12,000 - then were thinking to use remaining $22,000 to buy down the rate to around 5.75%. I have floated the idea of buying down rate to around 6% which would leave about $5,000 that we could use towards repairs or any other prepaid expenses. I would love to hear opinions on all of this and if my thinking is sound. Any other ideas on how best to utilize the credit if were to be accepted. 

Thank you!

Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23
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@Daniel Jodrey It's hard to tell without a specific breakdown of the operating expenses, but what are you estimating to be your monthly loan payment? FWIW, most real estate developers/investors I work with would target an IRR of 16%-18% on a duplex. I'm also not seeing what you think the property will be worth in 5 years.

Hey @Jaycee Greene


What I’m getting in the calculations is:

Mortgage: $2782

Taxes: $226 

Insurance: $165

Variable Expenses (15% Maintenance/CapX/Vacancy) : $630

Fixed Expense:$50 ( for water , although likely would build into rents)

I would guesstimate with repairs the property would be worth around $650k so a potential of year 5 value of $718k

@Daniel Jodrey I assume those operating expenses are for the entire duplex, not just the tenant's portion? If so, I think you're a little light, but since it's a house hack, it's probably in the ballpark.

But what's your loan amount, $468k? And what interest rate are you using, it must be below 6%? I'm having a hard time getting to a mortgage payment of $2,782 in the current rate environment.

Hey @Jaycee Greene

We are trying to negotiate a sellers credit and would plan to use that credit to buy down the rate to around 6% or possibly lower if we end up using all the credit and pay closing costs ourselves.

 I am calculating for full duplex. 

@Daniel Jodrey That makes more sense. With that, I'm actually getting fairly close to your numbers. However, I would comment about the return being relatively low (even for a house hack). My CRE clients that focus on SFRs generally look for a return (I used IRR) anywhere from 15%-18%. The reason being, anything less they might as well put their money into the market (via a 401K, IRA, etc.) since the market on average returns 8%-12% a year with little to no effort. Just my 3 cents.

@Jaycee Greene

I can respect that and appreciate that. My mindset and thinking is I’m looking to build long term generational wealth. I’m ok with short term returns , knowing that I’m building wealth/equity that in the long term will fund our life. I am planning to hold for long term and acquire 5-7+ more that in 10-15 years will provide great cash flow as well as equity and a portfolio that will help us achieve financial freedom. 

We have waited so long to buy and am getting to a point where I feel I need to take action to get to my long term goals. What are your thoughts?


@Daniel Jodrey I assume this duplex is in an area near where you currently live (or want to live long-term)? I wouldn't want you to jump into this specific property because you feel you need to take action or you're getting impatient but looking at it through the "long-term lens" you describe, this seems to be a good starting point for you to build your real estate portfolio. 

One word of advice is to think about your "maximum" price you'd be willing to pay if the seller gets multiple offers and/or gets other offers over asking or without the credit. 

Good luck!

@Jaycee Greene 

I agree with your advice and something I am and have been thinking hard about. 

Yes this is in my area and where my family/friends are located. My wife and I have moved all over the US with Hospitality jobs, however have now moved back to this area to be close to our family and set some roots.

Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
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Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

@Daniel Jodrey It's hard to tell without a specific breakdown of the operating expenses, but what are you estimating to be your monthly loan payment? FWIW, most real estate developers/investors I work with would target an IRR of 16%-18% on a duplex. I'm also not seeing what you think the property will be worth in 5 years.

Hey @Jaycee Greene


What I’m getting in the calculations is:

Mortgage: $2782

Taxes: $226 

Insurance: $165

Variable Expenses (15% Maintenance/CapX/Vacancy) : $630

Fixed Expense:$50 ( for water , although likely would build into rents)

I would guesstimate with repairs the property would be worth around $650k so a potential of year 5 value of $718k

@Daniel Jodrey I assume those operating expenses are for the entire duplex, not just the tenant's portion? If so, I think you're a little light, but since it's a house hack, it's probably in the ballpark.

But what's your loan amount, $468k? And what interest rate are you using, it must be below 6%? I'm having a hard time getting to a mortgage payment of $2,782 in the current rate environment.

Hey @Jaycee Greene

We are trying to negotiate a sellers credit and would plan to use that credit to buy down the rate to around 6% or possibly lower if we end up using all the credit and pay closing costs ourselves.

 I am calculating for full duplex. 

@Daniel Jodrey That makes more sense. With that, I'm actually getting fairly close to your numbers. However, I would comment about the return being relatively low (even for a house hack). My CRE clients that focus on SFRs generally look for a return (I used IRR) anywhere from 15%-18%. The reason being, anything less they might as well put their money into the market (via a 401K, IRA, etc.) since the market on average returns 8%-12% a year with little to no effort. Just my 3 cents.

@Jaycee Greene

I can respect that and appreciate that. My mindset and thinking is I’m looking to build long term generational wealth. I’m ok with short term returns , knowing that I’m building wealth/equity that in the long term will fund our life. I am planning to hold for long term and acquire 5-7+ more that in 10-15 years will provide great cash flow as well as equity and a portfolio that will help us achieve financial freedom. 

We have waited so long to buy and am getting to a point where I feel I need to take action to get to my long term goals. What are your thoughts?


Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Daniel Jodrey:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

@Daniel Jodrey It's hard to tell without a specific breakdown of the operating expenses, but what are you estimating to be your monthly loan payment? FWIW, most real estate developers/investors I work with would target an IRR of 16%-18% on a duplex. I'm also not seeing what you think the property will be worth in 5 years.

Hey @Jaycee Greene


What I’m getting in the calculations is:

Mortgage: $2782

Taxes: $226 

Insurance: $165

Variable Expenses (15% Maintenance/CapX/Vacancy) : $630

Fixed Expense:$50 ( for water , although likely would build into rents)

I would guesstimate with repairs the property would be worth around $650k so a potential of year 5 value of $718k

@Daniel Jodrey I assume those operating expenses are for the entire duplex, not just the tenant's portion? If so, I think you're a little light, but since it's a house hack, it's probably in the ballpark.

But what's your loan amount, $468k? And what interest rate are you using, it must be below 6%? I'm having a hard time getting to a mortgage payment of $2,782 in the current rate environment.

Hey @Jaycee Greene

We are trying to negotiate a sellers credit and would plan to use that credit to buy down the rate to around 6% or possibly lower if we end up using all the credit and pay closing costs ourselves.

 I am calculating for full duplex. 

Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

Daniel Jodrey
Posted
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

@Daniel Jodrey It's hard to tell without a specific breakdown of the operating expenses, but what are you estimating to be your monthly loan payment? FWIW, most real estate developers/investors I work with would target an IRR of 16%-18% on a duplex. I'm also not seeing what you think the property will be worth in 5 years.

Hey @Jaycee Greene


What I’m getting in the calculations is:

Mortgage: $2782

Taxes: $226 

Insurance: $165

Variable Expenses (15% Maintenance/CapX/Vacancy) : $630

Fixed Expense:$50 ( for water , although likely would build into rents)

I would guesstimate with repairs the property would be worth around $650k so a potential of year 5 value of $718k