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Post: WARNING - Justin Goodin is Operating as Goodin Development

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Don Konipol:

We have a saying in Texas that seems to apply to the subject of this thread


“Big hat, No cattle”.


I love that one Don  so true..  but hey ,  and this is not aimed at this guy.. but we all have to start somewhere .  And puffing ( again not saying he is puffing) is very common in RE.

Like Agents who say they are in the million dollar club.. well when houses were 50k each that was something you know 30 plus years ago.. Today its nothing one sale maybe 4 in a year in a mid west market..
Hey Jay, true enough.  BUT………when asked a DIRECT question, it behooves the person attempting to build trust to provide a truthful direct answer, not insult the person asking the question and not by saying I don’t have to answer that, and not by stating the same unclear statement that was the Catalyst for the question.  

It SEEMS ( I of course don’t KNOW) that the subject of the threat was called out, didn’t want to admit the truth, and when the subject was pursued decided to pick up his marbles and go home in the way of 5 year olds.  

Investment product marketers who claim to be GPs, GPs who claim “ownership”, insurance salesman who claim to be “financial advisors”, people who attended an executive training program claiming to have an MBA, what ever happened to honesty?  

That’s what people loved about the great relief (closer) pitcher Tug McGraw

When asked on a TV interview if he preferred grass or astroturf, he stated “I don’t know, I never smoked astroturf”.  
When he became the first relief pitcher in MLB to sign a $100k contract and asked what he was going to do with all that money (this was 1968) he said “ 90% I’m going to spend on wild women, Irish whiskey and good times; the other 10% I’m just going to throw away”. 

Post: WARNING - Justin Goodin is Operating as Goodin Development

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We have a saying in Texas that seems to apply to the subject of this thread


“Big hat, No cattle”.

Post: WARNING - Justin Goodin is Operating as Goodin Development

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Finished up one bag of popcorn, reaching for the second….

Post: The Most DANGEROUS Real Estate Investments for the “Amateur” Investor

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Quote from @Stuart Udis:

The riskiest  strategy will be whichever new investment strategy the gurus come up with next to maintain a captive audience...can't wait to see what these creative minds come up with next.

I don’t know what the next BIG STRATEGY gurus will come up with, but I do know it will include the following

1. The statement that 90% of all fortunes were originated with real estate
2. The pronouncement that no money is needed - except of course to pay for the mentorship program
3. A free seminar, a low cost workshop, and an expensive mentorship program
4. The statement that you will make back your “investment” in the mentorship program with your first “deal”.
5. The offer to “help” hopeful participants obtain increases in their credit card limits
6. Misinformation stating that the guru dropped out of school, was fired from his job, failed in his business startup, but when he discovered” the “secret” of real estate investing, met with almost instantaneous success
7. Quotes from successful former “students” providing their first name and last initial only 
8. The quote “if I can do it, anyone can do it” 
9. The statement that 60% of the population has less than $10k saved for retirement 
10. The implication that anyone who pays for college education, or works at a 9 -5 job is stupid

Post: Build to Rent- BTR

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Quote from @Chase Calhoun:

Just wrapped up a build-to-rent project on Wilson Road, and I’m excited to share how it turned out! We built two homes side by side on infill lots with a lot value of $20k each and hard construction costs of $196k (builder’s fee not included). Both homes are now rented on two-year leases at $2,175/month. We sold one for $257k in cash and are holding the other one as a rental.

I’m curious about others’ thoughts on build-to-rent (BTR) projects, especially on infill lots. Personally, I find BTRs to be more predictable with fewer ongoing maintenance issues, and they tend to attract high-quality tenants. On the flip side, the margins aren’t quite as high as with rehab projects. Has anyone else had similar experiences with BTRs? Would love to hear any insights!

Congratulations!   Sounds like you found a profitable niche

Post: Wholesaling around a 9-5

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Quote from @Khyree Randall:

I'm about to start working again soon and I'm ready to start investing in getting my first deal. Anyone have some good tips for wholesaling around a full time job? How affective are physical mail cards with deal machine? I'm a dry sponge trying to soak up all the knowledge.

(Respectfully- Please don't tell me to save up and quit my job it's just not realistic for me and won't be anytime soon)

If you read the threads on BP concerning wholesaling, you should be able to draw a few conclusions

1. 99% of people trying wholesaling fail
2. The successful wholesalers spend $10k + monthly on marketing
3. In the last 18 months various states have instituted new rules, regulations or laws related to (1) need for licensure to wholesale (2) restrictions on marketing of a property in which you do not have ownership and (3) disclosure requirements when dealing with a homeowner that makes it clear to the homeowner that the contact signed with the wholesaler is not a definitive “sales” contract, therefore making it less likely home owners will sign
4. J Scott, one of the more respected authors/authorities on BP, provides scenarios in which wholesaling can be done legally and ethically.  It essentially includes having a buyer for a specific property BEFORE entering  in a contract with a seller.  This is totally contrary to the way most wholesalers can operate.
5. In any case, successful wholesaling REQUIRES the knowledge, experience, and ability to accurately estimate repair and rehab costs and time.  Many “wholesalers” get all excited when getting a property under contract only to discover that a thorough inspection by a knowledgable professional results in repair costs 2 - 3 times higher than they calculated. 

Here’s my honest advise; consider studying for and obtaining your real estate sales license, and obtain a part time position with a real estate agency that will provide training, guidance, and oversight.  Ask yourself: do I really have the knowledge of real estate principles, real estate law and real estate finance; the network of contacts; the experience both in business in general and real estate in particular; the time available; and the analytical ability to compete against FULL TIME EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONALS to be successful in a field where the failure rate is so astronomically high?  If not, you’re probably better off with a more conventional approach.  In any case best of luck to you. 

Post: 5 Lessons Learned From Selling My Laundromat

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Quote from @Keira Hamilton:

Here are 5 lessons I learned from selling my laundromat last year that can help you as a prospective business buyer.

Lesson 1️⃣ - Listing sites can be a legitimate way to buy and sell a business.

I will often hear people say that they’re not even going on listing sites because “they only have bottom of the barrel listings,” but this has not been my personal experience. I found my laundromat on BizBuySell, and I sold it through that site as well.

I still absolutely think it’s worth networking with business brokers and doing direct outreach to business owners, but you don’t need to take listing sites off the table.

If you’re sending out a lot of outreach messages on listing sites and you’re not hearing anything back, it may have more to do with you than the platform.

The number one mistake that I saw buyers making was jumping right into negotiating (and not very good negotiating at that) without first spending the time to build rapport. Things like:

🚫 “I need seller financing. How much will you offer?”

🚫 “This seems priced too high. Shouldn’t it be at a lower multiple?”

Here’s the thing. I was willing to offer some seller financing, and I was fine discussing the multiple. But I have to get to know you first.

The buyers I resonated with, who I believed in as operators–those were the people I was willing to be flexible with. Those were the situations where I was looking for ways to make it work.

Don’t come out the gate haggling, or even discussing the terms at all. Introduce yourself. Why are you interested in this business? Why should the broker/seller take you seriously? What are you bringing to the table?

There will be time to negotiate. But it shouldn’t feel like a fight.

I guarantee you are more likely to secure favorable terms if the seller likes you and can imagine you as a great operator for the business. It’s your job to convince them of this.

Lesson 2️⃣ - When selling a business, there are a lot of time wasters. Don’t be one of them.

There were different ways that potential buyers wasted my time. Some had clearly heard about buying a laundromat on YouTube and just wanted someone to listen to their brilliant plan to buy five laundromats in the next year.

Some were unwilling to provide proof of funds. But I didn’t need to worry–they had a lot of money!

Some went through the process of signing the NDA, providing proof of funds, and having multiple conversations, only to end up ghosting me.

I think what a lot of this comes down to is that many people start looking for a business before they’ve figured out for themselves what it is they really want, and what they can actually execute on.

Here are a couple of the common misconceptions I encountered from buyers:

🚫 You can close on multiple acquisitions within a year.

Sure, it can be done. But I usually heard this from people who had never owned a business before, didn’t have the cash to back up their plans, and often were planning to maintain full time jobs.

My advice: Start with one business. Really learn how to be an operator. Yes, you can expand (and SBA has some great options for that), but the basis for a strong expansion is really understanding how the business works. And that takes time.

🚫 You can rely on seller financing to get deals done.

A good number of the folks who reached out needed 30% or more seller financing to close. While I was open to carrying a note, I wasn’t going to go that high.

Unfortunately, there’s been an unrealistic expectation set by the gurus that relying on seller financing is a viable strategy for buying a business. And while seller financing is a very common practice in business acquisition, the good deals are not being done with high levels of it.

Particularly with smaller deals, and especially with a business like a laundromat, there are cash buyers out there. If you find a seller willing to carry a large note, that business is likely going to need a significant time and money investment from you post-close.

Lesson 3️⃣ - It’s not that hard to be a good buyer. Here’s how.

✅ Do your research to learn what is realistic.

Spend time really considering what type of business is going to be the best fit for you based on your experience and how you want to spend your time once you are the owner. Also consider how you plan to finance your acquisition and what size business is feasible based on your current liquidity.

✅ Focus on making a good first impression and building rapport.

This starts with getting honest with yourself about what you’re looking for and how you plan to execute. Brokers and sellers need to be able to envision you as a good operator for the business, and they have to believe you can actually get the deal done.

Your initial outreach should not get into numbers. You should not start the conversation trying to secure a seller note or haggle for a lower purchase price. Simply start by introducing yourself and why you’re interested in the business.

Remember that for most owners, their business is very personal to them. They’ve likely invested a considerable amount of time and money into it. Keep this in mind as you interact with them. When you’re explaining your interest in the business, don’t just talk about the numbers. What about the business personally resonates with you?

✅ Demonstrate that you are a good person to work with.

Be responsive, transparent, and friendly.

When I was assessing buyers, I wasn’t just looking at how much cash they had. I was also looking at whether or not they were someone I wanted to work with. I knew that we were going to have a lot of back and forth, and that there would likely be a problem at some point that we would need to solve together.

I needed to have confidence that whoever I signed an LOI with wasn't going to back out at the last minute for a silly reason. I didn't want to be waiting days for them to get back to me about edits to the purchase agreement. I wanted to work with someone who was going to pick up the phone when I called.

From your first interaction with a broker/seller, show through your words and actions that you are honest and reliable.

Lesson 4️⃣ - Buyers and sellers become business partners.

I truly think one of the biggest oversights in due diligence is the seller themselves. The fact of the matter is, when you sell or buy a business, you are entering into a business partnership with the person on the other end of the transaction.

Yes, the partnership is limited (partial buyouts aside), but what you will be accomplishing during your time together is significant.

Due diligence can take months. More than likely, you’re going to encounter some kind of problem or unexpected circumstance at some point. And you want the person you’re doing business with (your buyer or seller) to be someone you can rely on to work with you, not against you.

This might seem like a silly word to use in the context of these very official business transactions, but I stand by it: You have to pay attention to vibe.

You know when you’re not getting a good feeling from someone. You can tell when someone seems a little shady–when it feels like they’re not quite giving you the whole story.

If I were considering a business to buy and everything looked fantastic on paper, but I wasn’t getting a good feeling from the seller, I’m not buying that business.

Because as someone who has sold a business, I know there are things I could have hidden from my buyer. Things they wouldn’t have realized until I had their money and there was no going back.

It goes both ways. You need to feel out your seller and determine if this is someone you want to partner with. You also have to show that you’re a good person to do business with, because they’ll be making the same assessment of you.

Lesson 5️⃣ - Business is about people.

It seems simple, but I see it so often overlooked, both by the people I work with who are seeking to buy businesses, and by a lot of the people who were interested in my business.

Too often, I see folks get too caught up in their spreadsheets. They’re so excited about the SDE or the margins or the multiple, they lose sight of the bigger picture.

Business is personal. It’s personal to the seller, who’s likely devoted a considerable amount of time and money to their operation. It’s personal to the employees, who are directly impacted by the work culture of the business and rely on it as a source of income. And it’s about to be very personal to you as the one who is going to be responsible for it, and maybe have a significant debt to pay back on it.

The vast majority of business owners selling their business genuinely want to see it continue to succeed, even if it has no monetary impact on them. They want someone who is going to treat their employees and their customers well. Someone who is going to continue the legacy that they built.

That’s exactly how I felt. And I saw firsthand how a seller’s personal view of a potential buyer could impact the deal. For example, there were certain buyers I was willing to offer seller financing to. These were people who showed a genuine interest in learning and growing the business. They asked good questions. They were transparent and responsive.

And there were other people I was definitely not open to offering seller financing to. These were people who seemed more interested in adding an investment to their portfolio than really operating a business. They would ask me a question and then interrupt me as I answered. They took a long time to respond to emails.

As you embark on or continue your business buying journey in the new year, I know you are going to see more opportunities come your way and experience more success if you can remember this lesson.

Between 1981 and 1999 I purchased 8 businesses, while also being a part time real estate investor.  In 2000 I sold the businesses and became a “full time” real estate investor.  This analysis of how to buy a small business is the absolute BEST I have ever come across!  While I believe I operated with many of these strategies and tactics EVENTUALLY, I spent a long time “spinning my wheels” early on when trying to negotiate before establishing a rapport.  The purchase and sale of a business requires a lot more personal involvement than the purchase and sale of real property.  Real estate is basically an income producing and or capital gain producing investment.  Businesses are “living” organisms with a life of their own, usually having deep meaning to their owners.   Many business owners are deeply concerned with the future treatment of their employees, equipment, image, customers, etc.  As I stated, GREAT POST

Post: The Most DANGEROUS Real Estate Investments for the “Amateur” Investor

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Wait... the guy who buys all the ads (through Google) on BiggerPockets YouTube videos and attempts to reach BP viewers says that Tax Liens are the best way to build wealth, asking me repeatedly and agressively why I'm not doing it? 

Also, I'd add that any second position debt, preferred equity, or their brother's, sister's or cousins in any shape or form are at #2 on this list, in really any asset class. 

We experienced real estate investors tend to look at most “guru” type training/mentorship as, at the very best, inadequate to provide the new investor with a reasonable pathway to success.  So why is that?  Here is my opinion

1. The “methodology” the guru presents either isn’t all that profitable, isn’t as simple to enact as he suggests, and or works only with certain limits as to economic climate, geographical area, etc.

2. The “training” provided by the guru program lacks teaching of real estate principles, real estate finance and real estate law.  Hence the “student” doesn’t have the foundational knowledge necessary for analysis and decision making

3. The marketer (guru) severely understates the amount of capital, time, and knowledge needed to produce successful results.

And the above mentioned are the BEST case; not even mentioning the guru strategies that are fraudulent, illegal, unethical, and plain not realistically achievable. 

Post: The Most DANGEROUS Real Estate Investments for the “Amateur” Investor

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Here is my list of the most dangerous real estate related investments for the “non professional” investor lacking direct knowledge  and experience in these investments 

1. Tax liens

2. Mortgage notes

3. Syndicated real estate offerings

4. Distressed and or vacant Commercial property 

5. Triple net lease property at the end of the lease period


what do you think? 

Post: How Large a Part of Your Total Assets is Real Estate?

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If we include investments in mortgage loans (trust deeds), real estate partnerships, REITs as well as direct property ownership, I’m at about 80%.  I guess you can say I’m all in.  While I do maintain a relatively modest percentage of my assets in money market instruments, corporate debt funds, and high dividend stocks, I remain most comfortable with the investments I specialize in and know best.  

How about you?