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All Forum Posts by: Eli Kallison

Eli Kallison has started 28 posts and replied 85 times.

Post: Indefinitely Period of Travel - What to do with $400k home

Eli KallisonPosted
  • Investor
  • Arcata, CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Parker Cox:

@Eli Kallison I am certainly not you and it is you who has to decide.  But, from what I am reading my sense is that you are interested in traveling indefinitely, and want a stable (sustainable) lifestyle during that time, but your current intention is to eventually return home.  

My personal feeling is if you have roughly $1000 in cash flow/mo ($4000 rent- $2500 expenses -$500 for the unsuspected), fix up the house to avoid any major headaches while your gone, but rent it to a stable tenant (maybe a family).

In my mind, If you have done a good job of preparing/updating the house cost effectively and find a very solid tenant, you should have no problem being gone at least a year and that extra $1000 dollars a month will go very far in helping you start a free lance career...etc

And, on top of that, there is nothing suggesting the Southern Cali market will be dropping anytime soon, so if you decide to sell a year from now, you will have an extra 6-8% appreciation based on all current predictions.  

Best of luck

Thanks for your thoughts Parker. It is a tough decision! I have thought about this, and when I add in costs for property management ~$200-$250/month and vacancy that would average around ~$200/month in my area, it starts to get a LITTLE less appealing but still viable.

My concern is that fixing the house properly to ensure nothing goes bad could be ~$15-30k and doesn't guarantee proper functioning of the rest of the house.

I'll just have to make the decision!

Post: Indefinitely Period of Travel - What to do with $400k home

Eli KallisonPosted
  • Investor
  • Arcata, CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Matt Huber:

A very conservative tax advisor who also handles appeals with the IRS told me he has never heard of the IRS ever challenging the $250,000 (for a single) tax free home owners exemption.  Obviously the safe thing would be to live in it the 2 years prior to sale to get the tax free gain.

If I were in your shoes and did not want the hassle and headache from a 76 year old rental house I would sell, especially since others in California concur.  I would then use the cash to buy performing first notes on well collateralized property.  I would never buy the note at more than 80% of current house value.  I would buy in areas I know that are investor friendly, which is easy for me since I'm in Houston and Texas and Florida are investor friendly.

You can EASILY buy well seasoned performing notes with a 10% yield.  Undoubtedly there is a note buying section in Bigger Pockets and note brokers always advertise their wares.  I believe there is a big online note broker in the L.A. area.  You don't have to be an expert. You can hire an attorney in the state where the note was developed and the property is in to see if the note was written with good legal practices.  You can hire a local real estate broker to run full photo comparables to send to you to verify value or you could hire an appraiser.  This gives you the two most important criteria: good lawful first lien security via the note and knowing the accurate value of the house.  Part of the promissory note package should be that the note has title insurance already, which I believe always transfers to the new note owner if the note is sold.  You could also hire a reputable note broker to grade the note.  My only concern being conflict of interest if it is the same broker grading the note that is brokering the note.

Having a lower loan to value provides security if the loan goes bad so a lower Loan to Value, such as under 70% gives an improved margin of safety.  If the note were to go bad you simply hire an attorney to foreclose and hire a contractor to fix up, then sell the house with owner financing.  You can do that anywhere in the world.  You won't make as much as if you did it yourself, but it can all be handled to put you money back at work, even in the worse circumstances.

Typically you are buying the note at a discount and with relatively low Loan to Value notes, you should make even more money when the note goes bad and you foreclose.

By investing the $400,000 in performing notes you should easily be able to net $40,000 to $48,000 a year in cash flow.  Remember a 10% note also spits out (a little) principle (at first) so the payment is more than a simple interest calculation.  You need some reserves in case you have to foreclose and fix up before selling with owner financing or without.  It doesn't matter if you sell with or without owner financing as you profit either way, but if you want cash flow sell with owner financing.  You can get a higher sales price, a down payment and a higher interest rate.

The $40,000 cash you have you retain for reserves and do not use it. That is your reserves to foreclose and fix up any note that goes bad. You have at least $3,750 to $4,000 per month cash flow when the notes are performing so that is way more than you need to live luxuriously in Chiang Mai or most anywhere. Save at least the principle and reinvest so the money stream never stops. If you are lucky, some notes pay off early and if you bought at a discount you make an even bigger profit and have more cash to reinvest to buy larger face value notes. Others you foreclose and turn into bigger notes. When things go "bad", you work through the process and end up in a better position than where you started. When things go "good" they are good. All results are good, long term, as long as you have value, proper legal security/collateral, buy at a safe LTV and have sufficient reserves to "cure" any potential bad spots.

If you want to cash out your notes, you may have to sell at a loss if you didn't buy them deep/cheap enough but you can always sell them.  Typically if they are performing, you get closer and closer to true note value the more the note is seasoned.  The note discount is otherwise most affected by the difference between the yield required by the investor and the inherent interest of the note.  For example an investor wanting 10% always buys a note with a stated interest rate of 8% at a discount.  If you want more liquidity don't use the entire $400K on buying notes, buy what makes you comfortable between income and liquidity.

I have sold a couple houses owner finance and tried to talk my cousin into buying part of the note giving him a safe secure 10% return.  With me still holding some of the note and being local to the collateral property, if things go bad I would have foreclosed, fixed up and sold - allowing him to reap some of the new gains, in exchange for allowing me time to cure the situation and re-profit.  You know how it is trying to work with relatives, he liked the idea until being asked, then had no interest even though he was concerned about uncertain investment gains or losses with investments he had.  I've since found a couple brokers that obtain insurance company money where I can get wrappable loans, so that's a different approach that is an answer to my same issue.  Both cases allow me to create more notes than my pocketbook alone could do.  Something like that (having a partial note/built in partner) could also be good for you as it provides not only the security of the loan, but also a more likely path to future profit if the loan goes bad by already having a "built in" partner whose interest in making the deal perform are exactly aligned with your own.  Essentially that built in partner is found by buying a partial note, though you would likely have to talk with the other partial note holder about methods of securing his/her interest if the note goes bad.  In my case I was going to create a synthetic first and second note, from the single note obligation - giving the first holder (you) priority but further delineating the process of how the subordinate partner would have the right to foreclose, fix and resell and both partners share in the new profit, or simply abandon their ownership which leaves the first holder with more equity.  I suppose the downside terms would not have to be agreed upon prior to the note going bad.  If you had a partial note (with primary/first interest) you could make an offer to the subordinate note holder to protect his/her interest by foreclosing, fixing and reselling.  That would give you the local hands-on partner, providing the other partial note holder lives in the same area as the house.  I think that is a likely scenario with a partial note as it seems an investor would occasionally want to sell partial notes for cash.  Since it is further likely that very same investor created the note and therefore is likely to be local, in most situations of buying a partial note the local "partner" is likely the one selling the partial note.  The same could be said of a 1st and 2nd note where you are buying the 1st from an investor who retains the 2nd.  The 2nd note holder could be your built-in partner if things go bad.  That's how you get large sustainable income from the equity you have with no property management.

 Hey Matt, you are a rock star. This is amazing information. I don't know anything about purchasing notes, I need to do some research here as this sound like an appealing method of generating sustainable income without the hassles of home ownership.

Is this practice called Note Buying or Note Investing? I want to do my homework, and figure out how to analyze these types of deals. The risks involved, I suppose, are that the person paying the note default/stop paying? The BIG risk is if the market is down when this happens and you can't re-sell the house?

Post: Indefinitely Period of Travel - What to do with $400k home

Eli KallisonPosted
  • Investor
  • Arcata, CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Matt Huber:

Eli, I always think the worst question is asking someone else to tell you what to do for your financial situation.  I understand you want guidance and it is wise to ask for help, but the first thing to do with EVERY decision in life is to first gather the facts.

For anyone to help guide you they need more information.  What are your savings?  What are your expected monthly costs?  Do you need monthly cash flow from the house to survive or do you expect to generate enough to live wherever your going?  Do you expect appreciation from the house or perhaps depreciation (since a financial crisis is not out of the question in my mind)?

If you expect appreciation and the cash flow from the house is sufficient to pay the mortgage AND pay your monthly bills you may want to keep if PRESUMING you have no other assets or cash flow.  If you have other assets or cash flow, you may not need to keep it to pay your monthly bills.

Have you lived in the house 2 of the last 5 years so you can sell with the federal exemption where you can make a $250,000 (as a single) tax free gain?  If the answer is yes and you wait too long that gain will no longer be tax free.  If you qualify for the tax free sale, you may want to take it while you can.

If you are afraid of a financial crisis the $400K equity could quickly deteriorate.  That would be a good reason to sell.  Taking a profit is always a safe strategy (as long as you don't do something stupid with the money).

Do you think you'll want to come back to that area and own there again?  If so, are you afraid prices could take off where you won't be able to afford to buy in the same area since you will have left an apparently high paying job for life enriching reasons, but will not qualify for a loan in the future? (You WILL NOT qualify for a loan until you've been back on a high paying job for at least 1 year and more likely 2 years.)

One possibility, depending on your aggressiveness and understanding and comfort level, could be to sell your own house with owner financing.  You will be breaking the due on sale clause but that is rarely enforced (like less than 1 in 1000) since interest rates aren't going anywhere.  You can sell above market with a higher interest rate to parties that don't qualify for bank loans using a wrap mortgage, just make sure you get a good sized down payment (say 10 - 15%).  Perhaps one big reason NOT to do this in California is foreclosure laws.  I don't know how long it takes to get a house back in California, but I do know California is NOT investor friendly so this may not be a good strategy in California as it could take too long to get the house back where you have to pay the underlying mortgage and are not receiving payment yourself.

The safest strategy is to sell, however if you are not adept at creating income from your cash/equity it could well be best to keep the house as a rental if you are getting both cash flow and principle pay down. (I don't know what your cash flow is because you did not mention taxes and insurance and perhaps HOA payments. I may not keep it unless I was getting enough cash flow to fund my travel adventure.) There are a lot of questions you need to answer for yourself first, before going one way or the other.

Wow- thanks for the plethora of answers everyone, and especially @Matt Huber. 

Right now, I've got about $40k in liquid assets in addition to the ~$400k in the house. Everything (property tax, insurance, etc) is wrapped into the $2.5k/month mortgage payment. I have no experience in generating income from assets ASIDE from renting this house out. The house was built in 1940. Much of it has been improved over the years, but the infrastructure (including piping and sewage which is in poor shape and would cost ~$15-25k to replace, apparently) is still old. Even the newer stuff like the dishwasher has broken and cost $575 to repair. I'm worried that this will continue, and will no longer generate cash flow.

I lived in the house 1 out of the last 5 years (bought it 2 years ago). What are the other ways to get around a huge capital gains hit?

I appreciate that no one will be able to give me an exact plan, but it's great to hear all of these options and opinions.

Post: Indefinitely Period of Travel - What to do with $400k home

Eli KallisonPosted
  • Investor
  • Arcata, CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 12

Athe end of the year, I'm quitting my job and booking a 1-way ticket overseas. I'm going to try to freelance and make some money while traveling to make this as sustainable as possible for a long period of time (probably to Chiang Mai or Australia first). I want to live frugally, but be comfortable while I'm traveling.

My main concern right now is what to do with a home that I own. I have about $400k in equity in a home in Los Angeles that I rent out for $4k/month. The mortgage is $2.5k/month and there seems to always be something to fix. Average costs have been about $800/month (I don't expect that this would continue, as this includes a complete AC and ducting install and retiling of the bathroom that was peeling).

What would you guys do with the home? Sell and invest the money? Sell and do something else with the money? Rent it out and hope for the best? Maybe try setting up AirBNB?

Any thoughts would be much appreciated!

Post: Meetup in West LA/Santa Monica

Eli KallisonPosted
  • Investor
  • Arcata, CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 12

Recently found BP. Sorry i missed this event, any planned in the LA area in the New Year?