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All Forum Posts by: Jeff S.

Jeff S. has started 24 posts and replied 1634 times.

Post: Talk to me about old house remodels

Jeff S.#5 Private Lending & Conventional Mortgage Advice ContributorPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Just because it’s not on the Federal Register doesn’t mean it’s not considered historic, @Alicia Marks. I don’t know Texas, but out here there are various levels, each involving a different historical society. There are societies representing the Federal Register, a state historical society, some cities have their own historical society, and finally, there are local neighborhood historical societies. Each society has a committee which is often run, I’m sorry to say, by a Benito Mussolini wannabe.

Some love rehabbing historic homes. We love the way they come out. Unfortunately, our borrow experiences that involved these committees, have never been good. Go to the building department and also discuss with the local historical society to confirm. Old is fine, but don’t assume the home is not considered historic. I’d think twice if you have to answer to anyone other than the local building department.

Post: Becoming a Private lender

Jeff S.#5 Private Lending & Conventional Mortgage Advice ContributorPosted
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There are 7532 ways into the business, @Brian Plajer, and these depend on the amount of money that you have, the risks you want to take, and the amount of time you want to spend.

The two broadest categories are performing and non-performing notes.

If you have enough cash to purchase a home in your area, you can originate performing 1st position loans to local, experienced (sorry Beth. Ha.), full-time house flippers, and hold them yourself.  As you might have read in my post referenced above, this is exactly what we do.  State law will dictate licensing, usury, and other restrictions which is why you must speak to a lending attorney first to get educated.  Note, lending attorneys are not the same as real estate attorneys, many of whom are only versed in conventional loan closings.

Compared to other loans you could make, your risk here is relatively low and after a short learning curve, your time commitment will be minimal.  Depending upon how fast you get repaid, your annualized percent return should be in the low to mid-teens.  For me, time is important.  From the first phone call to getting repaid, I estimate we spend perhaps 6 hours total on any one loan.  That includes our financial evaluation of the property and also visiting it – which we require.

If you only have enough money to lend on the rehab, DON’T, (and never loan earnest money).  Yes, I know the Bankers Code, partnering, gap funding, yada yada, and all that, but these are generally 2nd position loans or lower and easily wiped out in foreclosure or bankruptcy.  I know several who specialize in lending in second position, some consistently behind us, and their returns are great.  One sold a computer company and wouldn’t blink at losing $50k or $100k if it happened.  Could you withstand that?  Would you mind lending to a stranger, in second position, out-of-state, on a house you never saw?  There are some who actually advocate this.

Alternately, if you don’t have a lot of money, and it’s legal in your state, you might consider participating in a fractionalized loan.  These are perhaps the greatest idea in lending since compound interest and there are licensed brokers who specialize in arranging them.  Your name would appear on the note and deed-of-trust or mortgage as the lender beside several others (ten max in CA), along with your pro-rata ownership.  This could be recorded in first position like any other purchase money loan.  Much safer than doing seconds but of course the returns will be lower.  Here, in addition to the house and borrower, you must also check out the broker. 

Similarly, I’m on the email list of a handful of brokers and I get offers every day to lend on all type of properties, in various lending positions, terms, and interest rates. Here, these brokers find the borrowers, do their own due diligence, and would arrange the loan in my name.  It’s pretty much one-stop-shopping but clearly requires a lot of due diligence on my part.

Alternately, you could buy non-performing notes.  These are a world of their own and can be quite rewarding.  Those I know who work these generally buy a portfolio of notes at a time for relatively low dollars each. Some percent of these loans will be total losers, some will provide modest returns, and others will be grand slam home runs.  Annualized returns can range from zero into the many tens to hundreds of percent or more.  I’ve observed that those who buy these work hard and they tend to do this full time.  Could be for you if you’re willing to put in the effort.

Then, like everything else in real estate, you can lend with OPM and take a cut.  That’s what many licensed brokers do.  There are also affiliates.   Go to the website of many larger lenders and there will often be a tab leading you to their affiliate program where they train you in their processes.  Here, you’re basically a commissioned salesperson.  I suspect many who call themselves lenders on this board are actually affiliates representing multiple lenders.

Hope this was actionable and sorry it was so long.

Post: Can you get a investment mortgage with a low FICO score?

Jeff S.#5 Private Lending & Conventional Mortgage Advice ContributorPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Many larger private/hard money lenders get their money now from Wall Street, insurance companies, and other sources of capital that are virtually unlimited. To attract this money, their lending criteria have become almost indistinguishable from that required by the conventional lenders (min. FICO, multiple appraisals, income requirements, tax returns, etc.). Don’t assume all lenders follow this model, @Walter Hogan.

Many other lenders, such as some syndicated mortgage pools, obtain their money from individual investors, down to smaller mom and pops with significant funds. Within the law, private lenders are free to use any lending criteria and offer any terms they want, so don’t assume that the large lenders represent everyone.

Some lenders do their own valuations. Yet others won’t care about your FICO score. I don’t know how many lenders you’ve spoken to but if you think you can generalize, Walter, you can’t. You just haven’t spoken to enough lenders. Understand that the industry has exploded with all sorts of lending options.

It didn’t use to be, but one of the first questions every borrower should ask a potential lender is where they get their money. The answers will range from Wall Street to those that are self-funded. You’ll also learn who brings no money and brokers loans between parties but are still fiduciaries. Others are affiliates, who might work for several lenders as independent commissioned salespeople with no real responsibility to anyone.

In the end, you’ll want to know who you’re borrowing from, with criteria that fit your objectives.  I suggest you always get as close to the money as you can.

Best of luck to you.

Post: Becoming a Private lender

Jeff S.#5 Private Lending & Conventional Mortgage Advice ContributorPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Nope, I’m still here, @Brian Plajer, and my post that @Steve Hiltabiddle referenced is as current now as it was when I wrote it some years ago. Our process for finding and qualifying borrowers (meeting at RE clubs, looking at all properties, going to lunch, getting to know one another, etc.) is completely unchanged from what I wrote, and it continues to serve us well.

This is truly a relationship-based business. Unless you have an extraordinary amount of money to lend, or you want to become a broker, there is no need to lend any further than your backyard to those you’ve personally met and gotten to know, like, and trust.

I saw you PM’d me and I’m always happy to share what I know.

Post: Private Money vs Hard Money

Jeff S.#5 Private Lending & Conventional Mortgage Advice ContributorPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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It’s interesting, there are other threads on this board by some who are totally hung-up, asserting that there is some relevant difference between a private and hard money lender. In fact, the definitions some come up with here are totally made-up and all over the map. They amount to distinctions with no difference.

Private Lender and Hard Money Lender are not legal terms but marketing terms generally representing non-conventional, privately funded, and privately held loans from lenders ranging from gigantic $500M+ mortgage pools to your grandma. Don’t get let it bug you but understand that Private/Hard Money lenders are generally free to call themselves whatever they want within the bounds of the law. As much as it bugs some.

An answer to the other part of your question, @Lauren Shelly, should be more helpful. Maybe stating the obvious, but if you want to find others who loan money secured by real estate, big or small, or anyone else in real estate, you should hang out where they hang out. In my view, this means real estate clubs. Here you’ll find the greatest concentration of legitimate lenders and others in the field. If I knew your town, I’d post a Meetup link for you, but you can do that yourself.

Also, read this very recent thread: Lending Tips for Beginner Investor and follow the link. Hopefully, actionable for you, Shelly. Best of luck to you.

Post: Lending tips for beginner investor

Jeff S.#5 Private Lending & Conventional Mortgage Advice ContributorPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Hard Money should not be used for long term loans, @Hristijan Georgievski, such as for rentals.  Nonetheless, I added a long list of hard money lender Do’s and Don’ts in this thread, @Hristijan Georgievski:

Seeking Hard Money Lenders Do’s and Don’t’s

As you’ll read, chief among these are to never pay up-front fees and always find your lenders locally. This is a business based on relationships. Real estate clubs, easily found on Meetup, are a great way to form these.

Since COVID, there are two missing questions that are important in my view.

1) Among your first questions should be asking a potential lender where they get their money. It will help you know who you are speaking to. You could develop a deep and trusting relationship with a lender only to find they sold your loan to an out-of-state investor who could give a rip about you.

Private/Hard Money lending has exploded. Direct lenders loan their own money. Others broker loans and never touch the funds yet have a fiduciary responsibility to you. It ranges all the way down to affiliates who are really commissioned salespeople and have no responsibility whatsoever.  The closer you can get to local money, the safer your loan and the more inclined a lender will work with you if there are any issues. Rest assured; you will always have issues.

2) Ask your lender if they are also in the flipping or construction business. I observed that when money temporarily dried up at the beginning of the epidemic, and it was unclear where real estate was going, those lenders who also flipped or developed were not inclined to help their borrowers out with loan mods or forbearances. They were, however, very eager to threaten foreclosure or encourage a deed-in-lieu. Why borrow from a potential competitor?

Now we know the lender. Too bad you didn’t know sooner, @Danielle Perry, that this company has had some lengthy and horrendous discussions on this board. You might have been forewarned:

Has anyone used Xpressloans911 as a hard money lender?

Hard Money Lender Xpress Loans 911

It appears from what you wrote that they called the money you gave them an EMD, presumably to suggest it was refundable. Note, on the other posts it was called a commitment fee. Either way, this money is gone.

The owners of this company are Jill and Robert Berg. Robert Berg was a member here and I assume subsequently booted because you can’t look his name up or his responses anymore. Good riddance.

I won’t add insult to injury and stand on my soapbox now, but it’s much safe to find your lenders locally at real estate clubs than online. There are just way too many very slick online scammers out there, as I'm sorry you found out.

Checking references is but one important part of vetting a lender, @Caesar Perez. Asking other investors who they use can be helpful but understand that many will hold their best lenders close to the vest.

I’d also be very careful of online recommendations since you don’t know who wrote these. And certainly, do not find your lenders online. There are way too many very slick scammers out there. Plus, this is a business based on relationships, not online anonymity.

Local real estate clubs are your best bet; face-to-face, and there are many in your area you can find on Meetup. Prepare a list of informed questions, such as these, that you can ask potential lenders. Here, you’ll be able to ask others in the club for recommendations in addition to the club operator, who will know the reputable lenders that regularly attend.

Educate yourself as well, so you know the correct answers to your questions. No matter where you borrow, you should have a basic understanding of the licensing and usury requirements in the associated state. For example, to call yourself a lender in CA, you must be licensed in CA. This generally means a CA Real Estate Brokers license thru the DRE or a CA Finance Lender’s License thru the DFPI. In CA, you do not have to register with the NMLS, which by the way is not a license, unless you are making consumer purpose loans. I’ll guess you are borrowing for a business purpose. Learn that difference too.

Last, Private/Hard money lenders have criteria as different as fingerprints. Interview many and keep a stable in your back pocket that you can pick and choose from as your deals, and their criteria, fit.

Armed with a bit of planning, it shouldn’t be hard to find some safe and reliable lenders, Caesar. Best of luck to you.

Post: Wholesale scam? What do I do

Jeff S.#5 Private Lending & Conventional Mortgage Advice ContributorPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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We require a lender's title policy for 125% of the amount we loan. I’m glad we do because we had a similar issue. You can read about it here: We Loaned on a Stolen House

You will be fine, @M Allen. Your title insurance might not cover your out-of-pocket expenses, but you won't be on the hook for the entire purchase price. Your HML, who loaned most of the money, has a potentially greater loss, but they will be fine as well. Both of you will be filing title claims so make sure Title knows all your current and anticipated income and expenses.

Some advice. Do exactly what Title asks you to do. This will likely involve filing a police report as well as sending copies of your purchase and loan docs. Clearly write and print exactly what happened and hand that to the police when you file your report. This is a lot easier than trying to explain it to a desk officer, who won’t understand everything he tries to write down. Plus, it documents what happened while fresh in your mind.

As mentioned, discuss this with your HML. Since you are making income (yes?), they might ask for payments, or not. You should have the discussion.

Title will do an investigation, which could take months. In the end, they will either determine you actually do own the property and are whole, or they will reimburse you to the extent your title policy allows.

Anyone can sue anyone for losses beyond what their insurance provides. Whether they actually recover anything is another matter. Worry about that after your title settlement and don’t stress out. Years from now, this will be just another one of your real estate war stories.

@Jay Hinrichs

I’ve known Jeremy since around 2006 or 2007, when he and Ellis started FIBI, and I’ve spoken there a few times too, including Manhattan Beach. You have your timeframe confused though.

When we started lending soon thereafter, we would go to a real estate club and there would be 20 legitimate borrowers, with real deals in the room, and maybe two lenders, including us. We had no idea what we were doing, and could have ended up in the slammer for loan sharking, but it was great. Now, with 20 lenders chasing maybe two deals in the room, it’s the exact opposite.

I occasionally go to the AAPL conference in Las Vegas. What’s interesting is that many of those with the $100M mortgage funds, who heavily promote themselves as experts, have 4 years of experience at best. Lots of faking it until they make it in this business. It also explains why the lending criteria for most mortgage funds are almost indistinguishable from conventional loans. It seems that’s all they know.

Thanks for the walk down memory lane and sorry for the off-topic diversion.