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All Forum Posts by: David Roberts

David Roberts has started 35 posts and replied 344 times.

Hi Brie,

You already have it rented again, unless you stipulated that you would have those refinished for the new tenants, why bother doing anything right now?

Post: How many rental properties do you own?

David RobertsPosted
  • Brownstown, MI
  • Posts 344
  • Votes 98
Originally posted by @Sam Steadman:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

enough that i want to blow my brains out on occasion. that is until i see those corporate koolaid drinking clones walking around working 80 hr weeks for as little as there company can get away with....than i want to do them a favor and blow their brains out instead

 Haha I can appreciate this comment. After working a corporate job doing accounting work I was reminded as to why I find Real Estate so enticing. I was not made to sit in a cubicle from 9-5 everyday.

 Most people laugh while watching the movie Office Space.  I cry.   That movie is a frickin documentary about corporate life.   And it does just that,  stuck the life right out of ya.

Post: Am I overestimating expenses?

David RobertsPosted
  • Brownstown, MI
  • Posts 344
  • Votes 98

Dont forget to account for city inspections and city fees.  A couple cities here I know of charge an an annual fee for maintaining rental status, and maybe every 2-5 years a rental inspection.   Work that in monthly cost off your cash flow if you havent.  Fees are not profit.

Its tough.   Everybody has their hand out lol.

Property management is almost never 10%.  Its 10% to manage, but add in their tenant finder fee of say half month rent and you are at an effectively at 12% or more.  Some have setup fees also.  Just putting it out there. 

It is hard to be honest, and easy to look past the details. Feel good about yourself for that!

Also like others have said, newly rehabbed houses start with much lower repairs, maintenance and cap ex.  If you start with all new and your selling point is 5-10 years, then you will have to save very little reserves for that stuff.  If you hold forever,  then obviously its not going to be linear,  and as time goes by risk goes up to replace and repair stuff.

Post: HUD bid question

David RobertsPosted
  • Brownstown, MI
  • Posts 344
  • Votes 98

I notified them already.   Thanks for the response!

Post: HUD bid question

David RobertsPosted
  • Brownstown, MI
  • Posts 344
  • Votes 98

If I have an investor client that gets a HUD offer accepted, then backs out after same day due dilligence (before doing the contract and emd and all that stuff), can he drop his price and submit more bids on the same house after it gets relisted? He wants the house he just thinks after detailed due dilligence hes into it for a little too much.

Thanks for the help.

I hear vinegar works well also.  

will you still have 350 a month with non homestead taxes?  

Primary home conversions are always tough.   They weren't bought with the intent to be investments so the numbers usually don't work very well.  Sorry,  i totally missed the paragraph you explained the 350.

How much did you buy it for initially and how much out of pocket are you on the house approximately? (Down payment, improvements,  etc)

The math says sell it.  Dont ever argue with math.

You said early on in the thread you will have 57/month after taxes insurance and mortgage.  Did you figure the taxes to change to non homestead once you no longer live there?  They will go up substantially and again make you negative before anything at all goes wrong.

But even if you did figure for non homestead taxes, you are going to lose money over time with the cap ex and vacancy.

Taxes will probably go up by more than 57 bucks just from the taxable value adjustment next year,  turning you cash flow negative before you have to fix anything.  Nothing worse than having to pay out of pocket for a house you dont live in.  It gets old really fast. 

If you are in a fast appreciating area, I could see the strategy for waiting a year or two to get more out of it, but then you have to exit. Otherwise you are just losing money,  and whats rule number 1 in investing? Dont lose money!

Dont waste your time.   That's the one thing you cannot recover.

I might have missed it but how much equity to you have in it now? 

 If you have quite a bit, itll be tax free if you sell it before you change your primary address as well.

Post: Flip or rental?

David RobertsPosted
  • Brownstown, MI
  • Posts 344
  • Votes 98
Originally posted by @David Roberts:
Originally posted by @Mike H.:

Thats always the million dollar question. Should I flip or rent.

The key question I go back to is what are your goals with your investing?
Is your goal to build up more income? Or simply to use REI to supplement your income.

On this particular deal though, that all may not matter though.

If you bought it for 52k and it needs 5 to 7k, then you're going to be all in at 60k.

If it will sell for 80k, there's not much room there for any real profit - even less so if you're going to split it.  Remember, just because the house is assessed for 90k, that doesn't have any bearing on how much you sell it for.....

At being all in at 60k on a house that rents for 900/mo, I'm guessing your net income to be rouighly around 150 to 200/mo maybe? Thats about 2k a year. And, after depreciation, that number will likely be tax free. 

To me, I'd rather make 2k a year in rental profits, plus some appreciation (assuming there is any as that is a seemingly lower end neighborhood), plus principal paydown every year then flip the house and make 4 or 5k in a one time bump.  After paying taxes on that 4 or 5k, you're looking at a 2,500 to 3k total net profit anyway.

Why not pocket the 2k every year on it? 

So in this instance, based on some rough guestimates on the numbers, I would definitely think it would be better to keep as buy and hold.

 What if she could.net 12-15k off of the deal flipping it?  So basically make 5-6 years worth of cash flow in 5 months time.  Would you suggest that she flip it instead? 

It is a good problem to have.  Make more money now or make money over time.   

Im just wonderin.

Post: Flip or rental?

David RobertsPosted
  • Brownstown, MI
  • Posts 344
  • Votes 98
Originally posted by @Mike H.:

Thats always the million dollar question. Should I flip or rent.

The key question I go back to is what are your goals with your investing?
Is your goal to build up more income? Or simply to use REI to supplement your income.

On this particular deal though, that all may not matter though.

If you bought it for 52k and it needs 5 to 7k, then you're going to be all in at 60k.

If it will sell for 80k, there's not much room there for any real profit - even less so if you're going to split it.  Remember, just because the house is assessed for 90k, that doesn't have any bearing on how much you sell it for.....

At being all in at 60k on a house that rents for 900/mo, I'm guessing your net income to be rouighly around 150 to 200/mo maybe? Thats about 2k a year. And, after depreciation, that number will likely be tax free. 

To me, I'd rather make 2k a year in rental profits, plus some appreciation (assuming there is any as that is a seemingly lower end neighborhood), plus principal paydown every year then flip the house and make 4 or 5k in a one time bump.  After paying taxes on that 4 or 5k, you're looking at a 2,500 to 3k total net profit anyway.

Why not pocket the 2k every year on it? 

So in this instance, based on some rough guestimates on the numbers, I would definitely think it would be better to keep as buy and hold.

 What if he could.net 12-15k off of the deal flipping it?  So basically make 5-6 years worth of cash flow in 5 months time.  Would you suggest that he flip it instead? 

It is a good problem to have.  Make more money now or make money over time.   

Im just wonderin.

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