All Forum Posts by: George Blower

@Thomas Kwan

Keep in mind that you can't personally guarantee a loan to an LLC of which your Solo 401k is a member.

@Jay Clegg

1) You can't take a loan from an IRA. Even the ability to take process an indirect rollover from an IRA (withdraw funds from an IRA and then return with 60 days to avoid taxes and penalties) has been severly limited as now you can only process one 60-day indirect rollover per every 12 month period regardless of the number IRA accounts that you have.

2) 

Here are the general considerations regarding 401k loans.

401k Participant Loans

• If your 401k plan allows for 401k participant loans, the maximum loan amount is equal to 50% of the balance up to $50k. The repayment terms for a 401k participant loan are equal monthly/quarterly payments of principal and interest (typically prime plus 1%) over a 5 year term (longer if used to acquire your principal residence).
• Please note that if you take a full $50,000 and then pay back the loan, you can't take another $50,000 until 12 months after the first loan was fully paid back.
• Per the loan offset rules that went into effect with the 2018 Tax and Job Act: if you leave your job and the loan is current at the time you leave your job but then the loan goes into default because you left your job, you will have until your tax return deadline (including any timely filed extension) to make the loan current by depositing the outstanding balance into an IRA (and thereby avoid the taxes and penalties that would otherwise apply).

3) The IRS rules don't allow you to pledge your 401k assets as collateral for a personal loan:

https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/retirement-plans-faqs-regarding-loans

@Weina Shi

It’s important to explain to the banker in a proper fashion so that they are not confused and set up the account correctly. As part of our process, we speak to the banker with you and answer any questions.

@Weina Sh

Vanguard pooled Account wont work because need to keep segregated

@Weina Shi

You may need a special trust document which we prepare for our clients and helps open the bank account.

@Weina Shi

If you will also have Roth funds then you need to keep in a separate account (eg if both of you will have Roth funds then pre tax and Roth accounts for each of you for a total of 4 accounts).

The conversion is reported on a 1099-R which we handle as the plan provider for our customers. To make the conversion effective for 2019 the deadline is 12/31/2019.

@Weina Shi

-One account in the name of the 401k for your benefit

-Second account in the name of the 401k for the benefit of your spouse

-Both under 401k EIN

-FBO language is not essential

@Weina Shi

We have helped our customers open bank accounts at 100s of banks/credit unions including Bank of America.

@Joe Khan

In this community, many use a Solo 401k to invest retirement funds in real estate or other alternative investments.  Below are issues to consider as you evaluate this option including issues to consider in chooising a plan provider.

Solo 401k vs Self-directed IRA:

A Solo 401k has several advantages as compared to a Self-Directed IRA including the following which specifically apply to your situation:

• Unlike a Self-directed IRA, you can have the account for the Solo 401k at a bank or brokerage that does not charge maintenance fees and where you will have checkbook control.
• Unlike a Self-directed IRA, if you use leverage (which must be non-recourse financing in either case) to acquire real estate with your Solo 401k the income will not be subject to Unrelated Debt Finance Income tax

General Considerations Re Investing Retirement Funds in Real Estate:

1. If you purchase via an IRA (as opposed to a 401k), you will need to open an IRA account at a specialty trust company which allows for investments in real estate. Unless you invest via an LLC owned by the IRA, you will not have checkbook control over the funds which means you need to run transactions (e.g. income, expenses, etc.) through the trust company who will need time to process the transactions and generally charge fees for each transaction. On the other hand, keep in mind that there are costs associated with maintaining an LLC (such as the $800 annual franchise tax in California).

2. If you are self-employed with no full-time employees, you can set up a Solo 401k through a 401k provider which allows for investing in real estate. In that case, you can simply have the account at a bank or brokerage where you will have direct checkbook control.

3. In either case, all of the income and expenses will need to flow in and out of the retirement account.

4. In either case and if you will you debt to acquire the real estate, it must be non-recourse financing. See more at the following link: https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9552/70408-ira... If debt-financed real estate is acquired via an IRA, any income attributable to such investment will generally be subject to unrelated debt finance income tax.

5. In either case, you can't live on the property or otherwise use it for personal use.

6. In either case, you can't work on the property as it must be a passive investment (e.g. you must hire someone to fix the toilet and can't pay the expense with non-retirement funds).

7. In either case, you must purchase/sell real estate from/to an unrelated person and the real estate can't be titled in your name personally (e.g. in the case of the 401k, it would be titled in the name of the 401k and you would sign as trustee of the 401k).

8. In either case, you should verify that you are eligible to transfer the funds from your existing retirement account (e.g. if the funds are in your current employer 401k, you will likely not be able to transfer until you quit your job).

Considerations in Setting up a Solo 401k to invest in real estate:

1. First, you must be eligible to set up a Solo 401k. In order to be eligible, you must be self-employed (e.g. providing goods and/or services through your personal effort), reporting self-employment activity on your taxes (e.g. Schedule C if you a sole proprietor) & you do not have any full-time w-2 employees (i.e. working 1000 hours or more per year) working for your self-employed business or otherwise.

2. If you are self-employed with no full-time employees, you can set up a Solo 401k through a 401k provider which allows for investing in real estate. In that case, you can simply have the account at a bank or brokerage where you will have direct checkbook control.

3. All of the income and expenses will need to flow in and out of the retirement account.

4. If you will you debt to acquire the real estate, it must be non-recourse financing. See more at the following link: https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9552/70408-ira...

5. You can't live on the property or otherwise use it for personal use.

6. You can't work on the property as it must be a passive investment (e.g. you must hire someone to fix the toilet and can't pay the expense with non-retirement funds).

7. You must purchase/sell real estate from/to an unrelated person and the real estate can't be titled in your name personally (e.g. in the case of the 401k, it would be titled in the name of the 401k and you would sign as trustee of the 401k).

8. You should verify that you are eligible to transfer the funds from your existing retirement account (e.g. if the funds are in your current employer 401k, you will likely not be able to transfer until you quit your job).

Considerations in Choosing a Solo 401k Provider:

1. Confirm that the provider has a pristine reputation (e.g. Better Business Bureau reviews, etc.).

2. You may wish to confirm that the new 401k provider has experience with the particular investments in which you intend to invest your retirement funds as you very likely will have questions in terms of the mechanics (e.g. how do you invest in real estate, etc.).

3. You may wish to confirm that the new 401k provider will handle the ongoing compliance support such as any required 5500 filing (e.g. 5500-ez for a one-participant plan with assets in excess of $250,000), any required tax reporting (e.g. 1099-r in the event of a distribution or in-plan Roth conversion), mandatory plan updates and amendments, etc.

4. If you might take a 401k loan, you may wish to confirm that the new 401k provider will prepare the required 401k participant loan documents.

@S Lord

Regarding taking a distribution from a 401k plan and then paying back within 60 days: the issue here is that there is a 20% withholding requirement so if you distribute $10,000 you will receive $8,000 (since 20% is withheld) but you will need to deposit $10,000 within 60 days so you are effectively providing Uncle Sam with an interest-free loan equal to $2000 since you won't be able to recoup those funds until you file your taxes.