All Forum Posts by: George Blower

@Peter Thielemann

Here are some issues to consider in choosing a Self-directed IRA provider:

1. In order to have checkbook control, the IRA account will need to be at a trust company that will allow the IRA to invest in an LLC (where you will be the manager and your IRA will be a member - an as manager you will have checkbook access to the LLC bank account). Therefore, you will want to confirm that the trust company allows for investing in an LLC and the associated fees and minimum balance that applies to the IRA account.

2. Confirm that the IRA LLC provider will prepare all of the documents needed to not only form the LLC (articles of organization, SS-4 to obtain an EIN) but also the documents needed by the trust company to process the investment of IRA funds in the LLC.

3. Confirm that the provider has experience with the particular investments in which you intend to invest your retirement funds as you very likely will have questions in terms of the mechanics (e.g. how do you invest in real estate, etc.).

4. Confirm that the provider has a pristine reputation (e.g. Better Business Bureau reviews, etc.).

5. In addition, while I know you are not self-employed if you are self-employed with no full-time employees you may wish to consider opening a Solo 401k instead of a self-directed IRA as it has several advantages over an IRA LLC such as much higher contribution limits, direct checkbook control (i.e. no need to have the account at a specialty trust company), ability to take a 401k loan, exclusion from unrelated debt finance income tax with respect to investment in real estate acquired with non-recourse financing, etc.

In addition, please note if you purchase debt-financed real estate with your IRA, unrelated debt finance income tax should apply to the income attributable to debt-financed real estate held by your IRA. Of course, you will want to review your specific situation with your tax advisor.

Per the IRS guidance, having work hours reduced is specifically mentioned as a basis to take a distribution:

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/coronavirus-related-relief-for-retirement-plans-and-iras-questions-and-answers

@James Bridges

Please keep in mind the multiple loan rules:

Under those rules, the sum of the balances of a participant's outstanding 401k loans under a single 401k plan (using the highest outstanding balance of each loan over the last 12 months) can't exceed 50% or $50,000 whichever is less. Thus, if you took a $50,000 loan and paid it back within 6 months, you would need to wait another 6 months before you could take another $50,000 loan.

While you may still have another basis under the CARES Act but assuming that you don't, you could take a taxable distribution but you can't take a loan from your former employer plan (the plan very likely won't allow for it).

@Justin Shepherd

If the money is in your current employer plan and you saved the money from working for your current employer, you generally can't take the funds out of your 401k until you quit your job.

As an alternative to taking a distribution from your 401k, consider the following:

• If you are self-employed (i.e. active self-employment earned income separate from your w-2 income) with no full-time w-2 employees, you can set up a Solo 401k and then rollover your 401k funds once you leave your current job.
• You could then take a loan of up to 50% of the balance not to exceed $50,000. Please be sure to select a Solo 401k plan provider which allows you to take a loan and will prepare the required 401k loan documents.
• The repayment terms are equal monthly/quarterly payments (as you prefer) of principal and interest (e.g. prime + 1%) spread over a 5 year term (or longer if you will use the loan to purchase your primary residence).
• There are no prepayment penalties and no restrictions on what you can do with the proceeds of the 401k loan.
• Please note that you are obligated to pay back their 401k (regardless of the performance of your real estate investment).
• As an alternative to taking the loan, you could even purchase the investment property directly using funds in your Solo 401k (assuming you select a Solo 401k plan provider which allows you to invest in real estate). If you don't have enough Solo 401k funds to purchase the property as an all-cash deal, you can combine your Solo 401k funds with non-recourse debt to purchase the investment property. Learn more about non-recourse lenders here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/9552/70408-ira-and-solo-401k-non-recourse-lenders

@Justin Shepherd

@Daniel Hyman

Keep in mind that in order to take a distribution or loan under the CARES Act you must have been impacted by the virus in one of the enumerated ways & your current account provider must allow you to take a CARES Act distribution or loan. The IRS recently provided guidance regarding eligibility under the CARES Act and specified that a qualified individual includes an individual who has a reduction in pay (or self-employment income) due to COVID-19.

Distributions:

If so, you can take a penalty-free distribution (as well as waive the 20% withholding requirement) from your 401k (assuming that the employer allows it) anytime between 1/1/2020 and 12/31/2020. You may avoid the taxes if you deposit the funds in an eligible retirement plan (which includes anIRA) within "3 years and a day" of the date of the COVID-19 distribution (note: compare to a 60-day rollover). Please note that the account into which the funds are deposited must be the same type of account from which the funds were first withdrawn (e.g. withdrawal of pre-tax funds from a 401k could be deposited in a pre-tax IRA but not a Roth IRA - "like to like").

Loans:

Payments on a 401k loan taken under the CARES Act must be paid back starting in 2021 over a 5 year term.

Here are the details regarding the loans:

NEW LOANS:

The CARES Act which was enacted to provide relief to individuals impacted by COVID-19 allows for increased 401k loans and more flexibility for repayment of these loans.

Specifically, you must be an individual who meets one of the following conditions to demonstrate that you have been impacted by the crisis (and it will be your responsibility to retain documents in your files that demonstrates that you are a qualified individual):

• • Individual who is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test;
  • Individual whose spouse or dependent is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test; OR
  • Individual who experiences adverse financial consequences as a result of being quarantined, furloughed, laid off, having work hours reduced, being unable to work due to lack of child care due to COVID-19, closing or reducing hours of a business owned or operated by the individual due to COVID-19; or other factors as determined by the Treasury Secretary.

On or before September 23, 2020, such individuals take a 401k participant loan subject to the following terms:

• Maximum Amount of the Loan: 100% of their 401k balance not to exceed $100,000. Please note that per the multiple loan rules, the amount of the loan must be reduced by the highest outstanding balance of any other 401k participant loan over the prior 12 months (regardless of whether such other loan is currently outstanding).
• Monthly or Quarterly Payments: The loan must be paid back in equal monthly or quarterly payments of principal and interest.
• Interest Rate: The interest rate is equal to prime plus 1% (or CD rate plus 2%) and is a fixed rate that is set at the time that the loan is taken.
• Term of the Loan: Five-year term unless the proceeds of the loan are used to purchase a primary residence in which case the term of the loan may be up to 30 years.
• First Payment:
  • For monthly payments, the first payment that would otherwise be due is delayed until January 2021 (e.g. if the first monthly payment would have been due on May 15, 2020, it will be due on January 15, 2021).
  • For quarterly payments, the first payment that would otherwise be due is delayed until the first quarter of 2021 (e.g. if the first quarterly payment would have been due on May 15, 2020, it will be due on February 15, 2021).

EXISTING LOANS:

The CARES Act which was enacted to provide relief to individuals impacted by COVID-19 allows for increased 401k loans and more flexibility for repayment of these loans.

Specifically, you must be an individual who meets one of the following conditions to demonstrate that you have been impacted by the crisis (and it will be your responsibility to retain documents in your files that demonstrates that you are a qualified individual):

• • Individual who is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test;
  • Individual whose spouse or dependent is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test; OR
  • Individual who experiences adverse financial consequences as a result of being quarantined, furloughed, laid off, having work hours reduced, being unable to work due to lack of child care due to COVID-19, closing or reducing hours of a business owned or operated by the individual due to COVID-19; or other factors as determined by the Treasury Secretary.

If you meet the above conditions:

• You may delay making any 401k loan payments due between 3/27/2020 and 12/31/2020.
• You must commence making loan payments in January 2021 (or the first quarter of 2021 if your loan payments are due on a quarterly basis).
• If you elect to delay making such loan payments, the term of your loan will be appropriately extended. For example, if there are 10 monthly loan payments remaining on your 401k participant loan and the next payment is due April 15, 2020, you can elect to delay making such payments until January 15, 2021 and at that time would need to make 10 more monthly payments through October 15, 2021.

@eva morel

Keep in mind that in order to take a distribution or loan under the CARES Act you must have been impacted by the virus in one of the enumerated ways & your current account provider must allow you to take a CARES Act distribution or loan. The IRS recently provided guidance regarding eligibility under the CARES Act and specified that a qualified individual includes an individual who has a reduction in pay (or self-employment income) due to COVID-19.

Distributions:

If so, you can take a penalty-free distribution (as well as waive the 20% withholding requirement) from your 401k (assuming that the employer allows it) anytime between 1/1/2020 and 12/31/2020. You may avoid the taxes if you deposit the funds in an eligible retirement plan (which includes anIRA) within "3 years and a day" of the date of the COVID-19 distribution (note: compare to a 60-day rollover). Please note that the account into which the funds are deposited must be the same type of account from which the funds were first withdrawn (e.g. withdrawal of pre-tax funds from a 401k could be deposited in a pre-tax IRA but not a Roth IRA - "like to like").

Loans:

Payments on a 401k loan taken under the CARES Act must be paid back starting in 2021 over a 5 year term.

Here are the details regarding the loans:

NEW LOANS:

The CARES Act which was enacted to provide relief to individuals impacted by COVID-19 allows for increased 401k loans and more flexibility for repayment of these loans.

Specifically, you must be an individual who meets one of the following conditions to demonstrate that you have been impacted by the crisis (and it will be your responsibility to retain documents in your files that demonstrates that you are a qualified individual):

• • Individual who is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test;
  • Individual whose spouse or dependent is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test; OR
  • Individual who experiences adverse financial consequences as a result of being quarantined, furloughed, laid off, having work hours reduced, being unable to work due to lack of child care due to COVID-19, closing or reducing hours of a business owned or operated by the individual due to COVID-19; or other factors as determined by the Treasury Secretary.

On or before September 23, 2020, such individuals take a 401k participant loan subject to the following terms:

• Maximum Amount of the Loan: 100% of their 401k balance not to exceed $100,000. Please note that per the multiple loan rules, the amount of the loan must be reduced by the highest outstanding balance of any other 401k participant loan over the prior 12 months (regardless of whether such other loan is currently outstanding).
• Monthly or Quarterly Payments: The loan must be paid back in equal monthly or quarterly payments of principal and interest.
• Interest Rate: The interest rate is equal to prime plus 1% (or CD rate plus 2%) and is a fixed rate that is set at the time that the loan is taken.
• Term of the Loan: Five-year term unless the proceeds of the loan are used to purchase a primary residence in which case the term of the loan may be up to 30 years.
• First Payment:
  • For monthly payments, the first payment that would otherwise be due is delayed until January 2021 (e.g. if the first monthly payment would have been due on May 15, 2020, it will be due on January 15, 2021).
  • For quarterly payments, the first payment that would otherwise be due is delayed until the first quarter of 2021 (e.g. if the first quarterly payment would have been due on May 15, 2020, it will be due on February 15, 2021).

EXISTING LOANS:

The CARES Act which was enacted to provide relief to individuals impacted by COVID-19 allows for increased 401k loans and more flexibility for repayment of these loans.

Specifically, you must be an individual who meets one of the following conditions to demonstrate that you have been impacted by the crisis (and it will be your responsibility to retain documents in your files that demonstrates that you are a qualified individual):

• • Individual who is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test;
  • Individual whose spouse or dependent is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test; OR
  • Individual who experiences adverse financial consequences as a result of being quarantined, furloughed, laid off, having work hours reduced, being unable to work due to lack of child care due to COVID-19, closing or reducing hours of a business owned or operated by the individual due to COVID-19; or other factors as determined by the Treasury Secretary.

If you meet the above conditions:

• You may delay making any 401k loan payments due between 3/27/2020 and 12/31/2020.
• You must commence making loan payments in January 2021 (or the first quarter of 2021 if your loan payments are due on a quarterly basis).
• If you elect to delay making such loan payments, the term of your loan will be appropriately extended. For example, if there are 10 monthly loan payments remaining on your 401k participant loan and the next payment is due April 15, 2020, you can elect to delay making such payments until January 15, 2021 and at that time would need to make 10 more monthly payments through October 15, 2021.

In addition to UBIT and prohibited transaction rules, I note that your self-directed retirement account (Solo 401k, Self-directed IRA, etc) can't hold an equity interest in an S-corporation:

Generally speaking, you can loan retirements funds to an S-corp (provided that the S-corporation is not related to you, the loan is documented on market terms, etc.).

@Dana Regan

Here are some issues to consider in choosing an Self-directed IRA provider:

1. In order to have checkbook control, the IRA account will need to be at a trust company that will allow the IRA to invest in an LLC (where you will be the manager and your IRA will be member - an as manager you will have checkbook access to the LLC bank account). Therefore, you will want to confirm that the trust company allows for investing in an LLC and the associated fees and minimum balance that applies to the IRA account.

2. Confirm that the IRA LLC provider will prepare all of the documents needed to not only form the LLC (articles of organization, SS-4 to obtain an EIN) but also the documents needed by the trust company to process the investment of IRA funds in the LLC.

3. Confirm that the provider has experience with the particular investments in which you intend to invest your retirement funds as you very likely will have questions in terms of the mechanics (e.g. how do you invest in real estate, etc.).

4. Confirm that the provider has a pristine reputation (e.g. Better Business Bureau reviews, etc.).

5. In addition, if you are self-employed with no full-time employees you may wish to consider opening a Solo 401k instead of a self-directed IRA as it has several advantages over an IRA LLC such as much higher contribution limits, direct checkbook control (i.e. no need to have the account at a specialty trust company), ability to take a 401k loan, exclusion from unrelated debt finance income tax with respect to investment in real estate acquired with non-recourse financing, etc.

In addition, please note if you purchase debt-financed real estate with your IRA, unrelated debt finance income tax should apply to the income attributable to debt-financed real estate held by your IRA. Of course, you will want to review your specific situation with your tax advisor.

@Nathan Kurzmann

Keep in mind that in order to take a distribution or loan under the CARES Act you must have been impacted by the virus in one of the enumerated ways & your current account provider must allow you to take a CARES Act distribution or loan. The IRS recently provided guidance regarding eligibility under the CARES Act and specified that a qualified individual includes an individual who has a reduction in pay (or self-employment income) due to COVID-19.

Distributions:

If so, you can take a penalty-free distribution (as well as waive the 20% withholding requirement) from your 401k (assuming that the employer allows it) anytime between 1/1/2020 and 12/31/2020. You may avoid the taxes if you deposit the funds in an eligible retirement plan (which includes anIRA) within "3 years and a day" of the date of the COVID-19 distribution (note: compare to a 60-day rollover). Please note that the account into which the funds are deposited must be the same type of account from which the funds were first withdrawn (e.g. withdrawal of pre-tax funds from a 401k could be deposited in a pre-tax IRA but not a Roth IRA - "like to like").

Loans:

Payments on a 401k loan taken under the CARES Act must be paid back starting in 2021 over a 5 year term.

Here are the details regarding the loans:

NEW LOANS:

The CARES Act which was enacted to provide relief to individuals impacted by COVID-19 allows for increased 401k loans and more flexibility for repayment of these loans.

Specifically, you must be an individual who meets one of the following conditions to demonstrate that you have been impacted by the crisis (and it will be your responsibility to retain documents in your files that demonstrates that you are a qualified individual):

• • Individual who is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test;
  • Individual whose spouse or dependent is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test; OR
  • Individual who experiences adverse financial consequences as a result of being quarantined, furloughed, laid off, having work hours reduced, being unable to work due to lack of child care due to COVID-19, closing or reducing hours of a business owned or operated by the individual due to COVID-19; or other factors as determined by the Treasury Secretary.

On or before September 23, 2020, such individuals take a 401k participant loan subject to the following terms:

• Maximum Amount of the Loan: 100% of their 401k balance not to exceed $100,000. Please note that per the multiple loan rules, the amount of the loan must be reduced by the highest outstanding balance of any other 401k participant loan over the prior 12 months (regardless of whether such other loan is currently outstanding).
• Monthly or Quarterly Payments: The loan must be paid back in equal monthly or quarterly payments of principal and interest.
• Interest Rate: The interest rate is equal to prime plus 1% (or CD rate plus 2%) and is a fixed rate that is set at the time that the loan is taken.
• Term of the Loan: Five-year term unless the proceeds of the loan are used to purchase a primary residence in which case the term of the loan may be up to 30 years.
• First Payment:
  • For monthly payments, the first payment that would otherwise be due is delayed until January 2021 (e.g. if the first monthly payment would have been due on May 15, 2020, it will be due on January 15, 2021).
  • For quarterly payments, the first payment that would otherwise be due is delayed until the first quarter of 2021 (e.g. if the first quarterly payment would have been due on May 15, 2020, it will be due on February 15, 2021).

EXISTING LOANS:

The CARES Act which was enacted to provide relief to individuals impacted by COVID-19 allows for increased 401k loans and more flexibility for repayment of these loans.

Specifically, you must be an individual who meets one of the following conditions to demonstrate that you have been impacted by the crisis (and it will be your responsibility to retain documents in your files that demonstrates that you are a qualified individual):

• • Individual who is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test;
  • Individual whose spouse or dependent is diagnosed with COVID-19, with a CDC-approved test; OR
  • Individual who experiences adverse financial consequences as a result of being quarantined, furloughed, laid off, having work hours reduced, being unable to work due to lack of child care due to COVID-19, closing or reducing hours of a business owned or operated by the individual due to COVID-19; or other factors as determined by the Treasury Secretary.

If you meet the above conditions:

• You may delay making any 401k loan payments due between 3/27/2020 and 12/31/2020.
• You must commence making loan payments in January 2021 (or the first quarter of 2021 if your loan payments are due on a quarterly basis).
• If you elect to delay making such loan payments, the term of your loan will be appropriately extended. For example, if there are 10 monthly loan payments remaining on your 401k participant loan and the next payment is due April 15, 2020, you can elect to delay making such payments until January 15, 2021 and at that time would need to make 10 more monthly payments through October 15, 2021.