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All Forum Posts by: Wendy Forbes

Wendy Forbes has started 12 posts and replied 42 times.

Post: Identifying Good Rental Markets/Towns

Wendy ForbesPosted
  • Chelsea, VT
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 10

@Wes Shaw Contractors can be a good source to point you toward investors. I've been finding good contractors by going to local suppliers- plumbing supplies, electric, lumber yard - asking who is good and reasonably priced. I've then been getting quotes from those guys and picking their brains. If you don't have a job for them to quote yet, you might tell them you will soon, and still pick their brains. Good ones will probably know who the investors are.

My current thinking is that I will do the minimal renovations I'd planned, lease it up as well as I can, and put it on the market when I have a year of rents to show. I purchased it with financing at 2.75 percent, but figured my numbers assuming a 6 percent mortgage.

Wow! Great suggestions. Thanks, everyone. Unfortunately, I own about 4 feet on each side of the building abutting the next door driveways and there is tight parking in the driveways of the apartment houses on either side. I have been looking for a way to negotiate with the neighbors for a little more land to allow access to the backyard, but there isn't really room to maneuver a car in the backyard even if cars could gain access to it. I doubt an engineer could find any space either, though I may consult one just to see if s/he has any creative ideas. I have a feeling I'm just going to have to work the "rethinking my market" angle.

@Thomas S. I like your advice to shift my attitude. Thanks for the positive outlook!

@Account Closed thank! I will definitely follow up on these suggestions. Actually, I've been considering basing part of my business on renting to the supportive housing market so perhaps this building will work well for that. It just may be in a difficult neighborhood for people trying to turn their lives around. 

I have also been thinking along the lines of your suggestion to specifically market to people without cars, emphasizing garden space, bus, etc.

I'll post an update after finding my first tenants!

Thanks a lot, Josh. This will be very helpful. Were there liens on the property you bought? I believe you gave me advice earlier about trying to negotiate with the contractor to reduce their liens. I'm awaiting info on those from the seller.

Well, I would have liked my first "I just bought a rental property" post to be a bit more of a brag, but it isn't! I bought an apparently nicely cash flowing property (better than the 2% rule) in a flood zone in the bad part of an already run down small Vermont city. Assuming decent occupancy, the numbers work well, even with good flood insurance, but that may be assuming a lot. Unfortunately, I let my concerns about flooding distract me from the much more serious handicap of no, and I mean NO, parking. The building has four 3-bedroom units and four tight fitting curbside parking spaces. However, from November to May the city has an on-street parking ban from 11:00 pm until 6:00 am. During the winter months there is literally nowhere to park. There is no room around the building to squeeze in more than, extremely optimistically, maybe two cars. The business across the street had been allowing my tenants to park in his lot in the winter if they paid him $200 for the season, but they abused the privilege, messed up his plowing, parked more than the allowed number of cars, etc. He says that this year he will put up a fence and allow no parking. 

Aside from the obvious nuisance of no parking, this limitation means that I have a very reduced tenant pool in an area that already has pretty shady tenants. I was expecting to rent to a lot of Section 8 tenants, but now I realize I will mostly need to rent to those without cars, which often means they don't have much employment, either. I also learned today that this part of town has a lot of addict tenants because it is within walking distance of the courthouse where they need to check in periodically and many of them have had their licenses taken away. I really thought this purchase through well!

Have any of you faced a similar situation? If so, did you come up with any clever solutions? I would like to come up with a solution which is secure going forward, so that it can increase the value of the building. 

Ideas I am considering are: 

1. Offering to pay some of the cost of the fence for the business across the street and paying also for a security gate to be installed. Charging tenants perhaps $30/month/car to use the lot, giving them secure access to the lot, and paying the owner of the lot a set amount at the beginning of the winter for each car that tenants plan to park there. Is there a way to do this so that the agreement goes with the deed on both my property and the property of the business across the street? What would be the incentive for the guy across the street to agree to such an arrangement, given that he wants to sell his business sometime in the next few years? Is a little extra income enough of an incentive?

2. Buying a 2 bedroom house about 1 1/2 blocks up the street that has a side yard that could be made into parking for at least 8 cars, if I could get it for a very cheap price. Again, is there a way to have my parking arrangement on the deed of both properties so that future buyers of either one would see the arrangement as an asset rather than a liability? Is buying another property in this neighborhood just throwing good money after bad? At least the second property is elevated above the flood zone...

3. Figuring out something other than providing parking that would make my apartments appealing to some particular segment of the population that would pay rent and be decent tenants. (Too bad this city is too small for bicycle messenger fleets.) They are good sized, decent apartments. Each is two floors. They each have a basement (which may get wet!). They each have a sunny backyard in which tenants could have a garden. The building is 2 blocks from a bus line with hourly buses. I own three other units and am a very responsive landlord, fixing things promptly and staying in communication with tenants.

Any brilliant ideas out there? Please!

I'm looking for a Vermont realtor well versed in short sales and willing to do them. I'm not sure the situation I've come across in Barre Town will work as a short sale, but I do know the seller's bank is willing to consider one. I'd like to go a little further along that road in order to see where it may lead. As a first step, I've told the seller I would find out what I could about the short sale process. I'd like to ask questions of an experienced realtor and see where it goes from there. Anyone know someone I should talk to?

@Josh Dillingham Thanks for the suggestions. I'll ask my dentist to talk to the bank and also get the list of contractors and amounts owed from him. Once the bank agreed to consider a short sale, did the seller have to list the property with an agent? Did the agent then have to list it on the open market? Was there a requirement as to how discounted the listing price needed to be to qualify as a short sale?

Yes, he was thinking the bank had been open to forgiving the home equity line, not the contractors' liens! I guess this is a short sale situation that has not yet been positioned that way. Do I understand, @Wayne Brooks, that only an agent can negotiate a short sale with the bank? That seems to be what other BP posts have said...

@Wayne Brooks