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All Forum Posts by: Jack Martin

Jack Martin has started 4 posts and replied 611 times.

Post: Help analyzing this mobile home park.

Jack Martin#3 Mobile Home Park Investing ContributorPosted
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@Fox Barolo first thing that jumps out is in your photo/analysis it looks like you forgot to subtract the monthly expenses noted, so your monthly net is actually going to be $700.  (gross rent minus expenses, lighting, debt service)

Currently, the deal is priced at about a 9% cap rate, so I imagine the location is quite rural? Out in the country? Small town? Also the lot rent is really low. Anything under $250 per month is considered low. Those are usually red flags that mean it will be extremely difficult to attract new tenants, sell any homes, and raise rent. If that is not the case, then maybe you have a real bargain on your hands...

For a property like this one, you should do some research to find out what the market lot rent is for similar parks in the area.  If the lot rent in all the other parks is the same, then the red flags mentioned above are warranted and caution should be exercised.

However, if you find other park rents are significantly higher, then buying it with only a $700 monthly cash flow may be okay, since you can raise the rent over time to catch up with the market. Let's say the market rent for the area is $250-$300. If that is the case then the numbers will be drastically different when you catch up to the market and your monthly cash flow will be pretty nice. That will have a significant positive impact on value as well. 

All the best, 

Jack

Post: Calculating depreciation without a breakout for land vs bldg/impr

Jack Martin#3 Mobile Home Park Investing ContributorPosted
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@Jane Hankins check the county assessor's site for the tax assessed land value as a basis to start with, which will almost always be lower than the actual land value.  Then check recent comps for the sale of vacant lots in the area, similar in size and location to yours, with the same zoning.  The fair value to use for your purposes should fall somewhere in the middle of those.  And as @Ashish Acharya mentioned, it's always best to be conservative and avoid greed.  

Post: Where would I start looking for a DST?

Jack Martin#3 Mobile Home Park Investing ContributorPosted
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@Donald Howaniec another alternative to a 1031 is to invest in a syndication (or fund) where bonus depreciation is being taken on assets as they are acquired. With real estate where the land improvement value is higher than the building value (like mobile home parks) the bonus depreciation taken can be significant, resulting in passive losses equal to the amount invested. Therefore, the passive losses offset the gain you incurred from the sale of your property.  Keep that in mind.  

All the best,

Jack

Post: Capital gains avoidance-only if I die and pass to kid?

Jack Martin#3 Mobile Home Park Investing ContributorPosted
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@Mike Maruska one strategy not mentioned here is to invest in a passive syndication where bonus depreciation will be taken. You may be able to achieve several favorable results with that strategy:

  • eliminate (or significantly reduce) the tax event from the sale of the home
  • no more dealing with tenants
  • estate planning that would allow you to direct proceeds in case you pass away before your wife
  • cash flow and appreciation similar or greater than what you have currently

Feel free to PM me to dig deeper. 

All the best, 

Jack

    Syndications are best suited for investors seeking freedom of time, plus leverage of a sponsor's experience, which can result in many benefits, including:

    • Access to deals: A good sponsor will have a proven way to find deals that the general public never knows about.
    • Lower required investment: Rather than having to fund the purchase of a whole property, most syndications allow investors to invest a smaller portion of the capital required.
    • Low time commitment: The sponsor handles all the day-to-day work.
    • Lower risk: Investors can leverage the sponsor's experience to avoid costly mistakes.
    • Economy of Scale: Sponsors tend to buy larger properties. Larger properties create economies of scale that can result in higher yields and more stable cash flow.
    • Returns: It's not uncommon for investors to make a better return being passive than they would have if they took the plunge themselves.
    • Direct access: Unlike traditional investments, passive real estate investment offers direct communication with the people responsible for the performance of your investment and the properties themselves.
    • Tax benefits: Investors can receive significant tax advantages that come with ownership of real estate, such as depreciation. (keep in mind, some asset classes are more tax efficient than others, such as my personal favorite, mobile home parks)
    • Retirement-account friendly: Passive investments can be a great fit for retirement accounts because they are hands off and don't violate rules related to prohibited transactions and self-dealing.
    • Fund Diversification: Similar to the way a mutual fund works, a real estate fund diversifies the investment across a group of properties instead of a single property. This can result in reduced risk and blended performance across all the properties in the fund, and can also create the opportunity for compounding returns by reinvesting cash flow distributions back into the fund.

    With all that said, passive investors are exposed to both deal risk and sponsor risk. Deal risk can be mitigated by choosing a sponsor who has a track record of good deals, and can be further mitigated by investing in a fund with a sponsor with a good track record. 

    Sponsor risk can be mitigated by doing a good job of vetting and (IMHO) is the most important step in evaluating any passive investment. As you connect with sponsors that resonate with you, take the time to develop a relationship with them. Trusting the sponsor will be paramount to you sleeping at night, and I can't stress that enough. It does no good to place capital with a sponsor who has an attractive deal to find out later they can't be trusted. 

    Making sense of the deal and understanding track record is important, of course, but I believe you should develop TRUST before you invest. Developing that trust with someone you don't know may seem like a challenge, but if you approach it correctly, you should be able to achieve a pretty solid foundation before you engage.

    One way to approach this is to look for investments with professional administration. In that environment, most of a passive investor’s concerns related to honesty, transparency, accuracy, and timeliness are managed by the administrator who is a neutral party. It’s like having a referee that is overseeing the investment to ensure that the sponsor continues to do what they promised.

    If that is not available, another approach is to talk to investors who have had an experience with the sponsor already. If the sponsor is willing to connect you, there is nothing that replaces a conversation with someone who has already built that trust with the sponsor over time.

    Also, be careful not to get blinded by just the projected returns. Your overall experience in a passive investment involves much more than the returns, so when you find a sponsor you like, do yourself a favor and get clear on what your experience will be like AFTER you have invested.

    Find out how existing investors' overall experience has been. How accessible is the sponsor? If you have a concern, will you be able to reach them? Do they return calls? Are they transparent, even when they run into a problem? Does the sponsor have a communication plan? How often will you receive reporting? How are they delivered? What will the reports cover? How often will you see financials? When will you receive tax documents? How often will you receive distributions? In the sponsor's history, have all those things been delivered on time?

    If the investment has professional administration, you will have access to the answers to those questions, but also much deeper vetting of the sponsor that will include personal background checks covering things like bankruptcy, judgements, litigation, criminal history, and other red flags related to a sponsor that you would want to avoid, plus other items that investors rarely consider like ensuring that the properties are actually titled correctly, property taxes are paid, and insurance is current.

    The purpose of investing passively is to leverage a sponsor's time, expertise, and ability to source great deals, but your overall experience will be driven by the answers to all the questions above, so make sure to cover that in your vetting process. Otherwise, any return you could make simply may not be worth the risk, or will cause you years of sleepless nights.

    All the best,

    Jack

    Post: Sell a rental house w/ owner financing and pay 0% capital gains?

    Jack Martin#3 Mobile Home Park Investing ContributorPosted
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    @Sigurd Panke consider the advice by @Basit Siddiqi before you commit to a seller carry.  The inflationary environment alone is a compelling reason to own or have ownership interests in real assets.  A loan is static and will be negatively impacted by inflation.

    If you are seeking favorable tax treatment upon the sale look to a 1031, or better yet, an investment in a property wherein bonus depreciation can be used to shelter your gains. If you are not familiar with bonus depreciation, do yourself a favor and spend a few hours reading up on the power of that strategy.  

    In particular, with an investment into a property wherein a high degree of its value from "land improvements" you may be able to shelter 100% of your gains.  Mobile home parks, RV parks, golf courses, and cemeteries are all examples of those.  The reason for this is that a large portion of the value of the property is allocated to land improvements, rather than a building.  100% of that portion of the property's value allocated to land improvements can be taken as a passive loss in the year the property was acquired.  That means significant tax shelter for investors in those kind of properties. 

    Additionally, when the property is exited in the future, recapture occurs at a maximum rate of 25% so in most cases that will create additional tax arbitrage for investors.  

    All the best,

    Jack

    Post: DST, 1031, exit strategy, retirement advice

    Jack Martin#3 Mobile Home Park Investing ContributorPosted
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    @Dennis L. if you choose to sell, do yourself a favor and interview a half dozen brokers who are specialists in the exact type of property you are selling.  Without a broker who specializes in your property type, you may be leaving a lot of chips on the table.  

    Also, if you are seeking to become a passive investor and want favorable tax treatment upon the sale, consider becoming LP in an investment that offers Bonus Depreciation.  Correctly done, that can offer you significant tax deferral, and possibly shelter 100% of your gains if the investment is in mobile home parks, or another asset where the bonus depreciation is greater than is typical with commercial real estate. 

    The reason MHP investments are more favorable is because a large % of the value of the property is allocated to "land improvements" rather than a building.  Because land improvements are depreciated on an accelerated schedule, they qualify for bonus depreciation, so 100% of that portion of the property's value can be taken as a passive loss in the year the property is acquired, as bonus depreciation.  Investors who have an interest in that kind of investment receive the passive losses, therefore allowing them to defer passive gains they have incurred in that same calendar year. 

    In many cases, the bonus depreciation strategy can be a better alternative than a 1031 exchange, particularly in a market where it is difficult to find value in a replacement property.  Also, it can be a better fit for those who are seeking to be passive LPs rather than an active property owner. 

    All the best,

    Jack

    Post: Don't Miss Out on Bonus Depreciation!

    Jack Martin#3 Mobile Home Park Investing ContributorPosted
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    @Julio Gonzalez good reminder for investors.  Many are not even aware of the power of bonus depreciation, much less know those benefits will begin to diminish starting in 2023. In many cases bonus depreciation can be a great alternative strategy to a 1031 exchange as well, particularly if the investment is in a property wherein a large portion of the value can be allocated to land improvements (like mobile home parks). Coupled with a cost segregation study, it can be reasonable for investors to achieve passive losses through bonus depreciation that equal the amount of capital invested, therefore deferring the tax that would have been owed in that calendar year. 

    Additionally, the recapture of bonus depreciation is more favorable than a 1031 since it occurs at a flat rate that is lower than the high rate most investors would pay upon the exit of a 1031. 

    Post: Selling Mobile Home to Tenants

    Jack Martin#3 Mobile Home Park Investing ContributorPosted
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    @Nathan H. it would be good for you to talk to an experienced MH attorney in Wyoming. What you are considering will be governed by both Federal and State regulations so a conversation with a local attorney would be valuable. Best place to start would be the Wyoming Manufactured Housing Association as they will know all the MH attorneys. Their number is (307) 857-6001

    https://www.manufacturedhousin...

    There will likely be regulations related to you being a dealer as well as the loan origination side. Some of the creative ways you can execute that strategy with a single family home may not be legal inside a park. Since you desire to sell the park, you will want to know where the legal fences are at so you don't go through all that work to find out you have stepped over the fence.  Guidance from an experienced MH attorney will be well worth the time & expense.  

    Post: How to Evaluate Mobile Home Park with Unlivable Trailers

    Jack Martin#3 Mobile Home Park Investing ContributorPosted
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    @Andrew Yu if those homes can be remodeled, that may be worth doing. When you consider the cost of buying a replacement home, moving it, setting it up, and then completing any repairs, it usually makes way more sense to renovate the existing home instead.  Even if it is an older home, you should be able to renovate it for less than it would cost to replace it. 

    Before you pursue any direction, make sure there is adequate demand in the area. Here are some simple steps to complete that:

    Start with the apartments in the area. Call them and ask how much a 2 bedroom apartment is. It should be at least double the lot rent at a mobile home park in the same neighborhood. Then ask how many vacant units there are to choose from. If you find that the apartments have a low vacancy, that is a good sign. If you find high vacancy, that is a red flag for the market and you should be cautious. You should always consider apartments as an option for your prospective tenant, because if it costs them more to make payments on the mobile home plus pay the lot rent, they might just rent an apartment instead. Most people might miss this little nugget, but it is a quick way to determine the lack of demand and where lot rent should be in the market.

    Next, call the similar quality parks in the area. Ask them what their current lot rent is and what else is included/excluded? Ask if they have any rentals in the park and how much those rent for. Ask them if they have any homes for sale in the park and what the details are, and how many homes have sold recently. Do they finance? How much do they require down? What kind of credit do they require? Ask them if there are any vacant spaces in the park and what incentives would they offer if you brought your own home into the park. From those calls, you will have learned what your competition is related to lot rent, the sale of homes, how many POH they have, and what incentives you may have to offer as you sell homes.

    Next, you can advertise a home for sale yourself as a "test ad". Place ads on every platform you can where home buyers could be looking for an inexpensive home. The goal of these test ads are simply to find out how much interest there is in the market for the homes you will be selling once you purchase the park. Make sure to advertise in all the available channels you can find so you can perform a true test. (craigslist, FSBO, zillow, etc. as well as placing signs on the street corners in the area) If you don't receive any calls, that would be a big red flag.

    Take the time to do this right and you will be glad you did. If you get positive signs from all those efforts, then it's possible the previous owner was simply neglecting the park and you could have a good opportunity on your hands. Remember, raising rent, filling vacant spaces and selling POHs is all about market demand. Make sure it is there or you won't be able to execute your strategy to meet your pro forma and you'll end up wishing you had never bought the park.

    Assuming there is adequate demand, then the park may be worth pursuing at the right price. The basic "back of the napkin" evaluation that will usually tell you where pricing involves the NOI and a market cap rate. If you don't have financials, you can calculate the expected NOI by multiplying the number of occupied spaces currently paying rent by the monthly lot rent, then multiply by 12 months, subtract the expenses, which can range from 30-50% depending on variables, so use 40% for your back of the napkin analysis. Once you have the NOI, divide the NOI by the market cap rate (in today's market conditions, the cap rate will likely land between 6% and 9%, depending on the market you are in. So if you are in a 7% cap rate market, you would divide the NOI by .07 and that would give you a target for the value of the park.

    That basic valuation will tell you if the price expectation from the seller is in range or not. If it is close, then it deserves a closer look. If it is way off, you will need to understand what you are missing or negotiate the price. 

    All the best,

    Jack