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All Forum Posts by: Jason G.

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Post: home union

Jason G.
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Originally posted by @Amanda Wallace:

Hi all - since quite a few months have passed since anyone shared their experiences, I'm wondering if people are still liking Home Union? My husband and I are first time investors, and currently debating HU vs. Roofstock vs. trying to figure it out on our own. As first timers, there's comfort in the turnkey nature of HU and Roofstock, but I'm curious if anyone can update their experience and talk about how the cash flow/returns are working out. Thanks so much.

I've purchased three investment properties through Roofstock and one investment property outside of Roofstock. The numbers were as expected for all of them because I worked them out prior to purchasing the properties. Knowing your expected mortgage, taxes, insurance, HOA fees, if any, and property management fees and then setting aside an amount for reserves should get you pretty close to what reality will be. With Roofstock many of the properties are already tenanted so you know the rent and not estimating. So whether you are buying on Home Union, Roofstock, or somewhere else, you need to run the numbers. After the property closes it is your problem, not theirs, so don't rely just on what their projected numbers are. BiggerPockets has calculators that can help under the Tools section.

Post: My first (bad) investment experience with Roofstock

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I've purchased three investment properties through Roofstock and I am currently in the process of purchasing a fourth.  I've purchased one investment property outside of Roofstock.  I agree with @Ross Yeager in that this isn't too bad of an issue.  Deals can fall apart for a variety of reasons at different points in the process.  You lost no money and Roofstock is making an effort to make it up to you by waving the market place fee of your next purchase which is $500+ depending on the purchase price.  I know it is a frustrating experience, but I wouldn't let this incident dissuade you from utilizing Roofstock to acquire investment properties.  

Post: What is your "why"?

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To achieve financial freedom and retire early.

Post: Buy and Hold Rental SFR

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Originally posted by @Franky Juwana:
Originally posted by @Andreas W.:

You are late in the game. Prices have run up substantially, making it harder and harder to find the few good deals around. Plus there is still a lot of cash chasing those deals. I wouldn't wait for the perfect opportunity, but I would definitely not jump on the wagon just to create some action. There is nothing wrong with waiting a few years if no good opportunity arrises. I agree with the others here. There might be better options out of state.

Im not sure I agree with you but what do you mean late in the game?   I am looking out of state because opportunity in my backyard is just too expensive and rules and law dont favor landlord at all. So I'm in the process of buying in Texas where price still make sense. But even then, the cash flow still negative or under $100 after all expenses.  

I'm new in buy and hold, that;'s why i'm trying to get better perceptive from others and hopefully learn something. But I think I can start now, just might be taking bit longer to find a deal. I'm not in a rush. 

You are late to the game because after the crash, properties were able to be purchased for significantly less than they can be today.  A lot of articles on buy and hold investing you've probably read were written when housing prices in many markets were much less than they are right now so the returns won't be the same.  You mentioned that you are having trouble with finding property in Texas, but there are other states and cities that may give a better return.  Don't get fixated on one market and if the numbers do not work then they don't work, move on to another investment property or market until you find one where the numbers work.

Post: Roofstock Case Study

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Originally posted by @Leo Kotschenreuther:

Thanks for your great report about your experience with Roofstock. Now that almost one year has passed since you bought your first property, what's your experience with the repairs and CapEx estimates that Roofstock provided to you? Do you think they were accurate?

Remember that Roofstock uses an inspection company to prepare an inspection report, just like a buyer/investor would obtain an inspection if purchasing outside of Roofstock. With respect to the first property, aside from the initial recommended items needed to be done and surprise electrical issue noted by the appraiser, I've had no other repairs since purchase. Roofstock's inspection reports, at least in the Atlanta Market, does provide a list of immediate repairs needed and repairs recommended at turnover, and also the expected life of certain CapEx items, but large budget items can need repairs or replacement before those estimates or long after. Nothing significant was necessary for any of the four properties I've purchased and any items listed for immediate repair I had done right away after closing. I don't have the numbers in front of me to compare on the difference of the inspection report estimate vs how much they came out to as I'm not at my home office, but off the top of my head I don't have any recollection of any of the work done being noticeably more than anticipated. My one issue with Roofstock's inspection was that there is no inspection of septic systems for those properties that have them. On the Villa Rica, GA property I decided to have my property management company send someone to inspect and pump it just so I had a baseline and in the end that resulted in unexpected costs. It was under 2k, but still was not expected. The Canton property, which was purchased outside of Roofstock, had a small leak and also the garbage disposal unit needed to be serviced. Items will come up, I think that is just something that has to be expected, whether you purchase it from Roofstock, another provider, or the old fashioned way. So for those big budget items though, like a roof or HVAC system, I just won't know if the inspection's estimate is accurate until they need to be replaced.

Post: How much do you need to retire?

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$200k a year.

Post: First Rental Purchased (Atlanta, GA), Here's My Experience

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Originally posted by @Jason Pennacchio:

So to introduce myself, I'm 31 years old, with a stable full-time avg. paying job in NYS. I have investments mostly tied to stock market and wanted to diversify as who know's how long this uptick will last and there seem's to have always been wealth to be made in owning real estate. I knew nothing starting out but I started reading a lot about real estate investing online and mostly got into podcasts such as Bigger Pockets but a few others as well. NYC and nearby is un-affordable for profitable rentals in my price range unless I get about 2 hours away in which the rental market is less dependable. For that matter I learned out-of-state investing is now very doable and more likely to be profitable at my price ranges. 

I initially was looking on Roofstock.com and a couple similar sites for out of state a long-term rental investments but it was about 11/2017 and I found their inventory to be too limited at the time and sometimes slightly over priced. I also found it difficult to really gauge comps for houses as the selection was from all over the country. I narrowed down to a few cities, (Austin, Charlotte, Atlanta, Indianapolis) for various reasons (population growth, job growth, etc...). I waited for inventory to appear on these sites but eventually started to speak directly to a few property managers I had kept coming across and was told I can buy with them directly from out-of-state (although they did support Roofstock.com and did not intend to dissuade me from using the site). I eventually settled on Atlanta for the reasons previously mentioned and also because I found property managers/agents at Excalibur Homes to be extremely responsive and helpful.

I did a lot of searching for homes, I made my own excel sheet with formulas to plug in numbers on properties. To be honest the cash on cash and cap rates were lower than I had heard on podcasts and in forums etc. so I was constantly discouraged. Also the better inventory seemed to be snatched up within a day or 2 from being posted on the MLS therefore I learned to constantly check notifications from my buying agent and search sites I set up notifications from. I got stuck a little in analysis paralysis, I was aware I was looking for a good house in a good school district in a good neighborhood with good rental potential and better rates when running the formulas. I tried not to budge too much on any those which I don't think is a bad thing as I was putting bids down but was not getting the top bid. I did on one property get the contract but the inspection (that one hurt) came back horrendous. The agent agreed to do a walkthrough before I ordered inspection on future contracts (lesson learned). Eventually a few houses showed up part of a portfolio that were cheaper than my target price range but not in as a great of a school district. The numbers seemed to work however, I narrowed to a single house in that portfolio which was in good enough shape and already rented even which turned out to be a plus and I was able to quickly bid and get the property lower than expected.

I was in contract 03/2018. The process from there on gets busy. I have excellent credit and a few lenders lined up with pre-approval, I settled on one that was very responsive, very knowledgeable, established, and seemed to have slightly lower closing costs than some of the major popular routes (such as Rocket Mortgage). We were able to close in 3 weeks, I didn't have to, but I flew down to Atlanta for the closing as a sort of vacation and to bask in my first property purchase (I've lived in an apartment my whole life and currently still do). 

There's so much I can go into with the whole process. From searching, analyzing, bidding, in-contract, closing, there's a lot that goes on and what most people don't tell you is that it can feel scary at every moment, more so because you don't know, what you don't know. 

My advice would be: 

-First narrow your search a bit but stay flexible enough that you won't miss a deal. It might not feel like a deal, but if you are able to know prices of certain neighborhoods and check price AND rental comps (don't rely on broker only or one single source for that info) than you can determine if your comfortable with those numbers and put a bid in. 

-Keep researching and listening to podcasts, it helps with the don't know what you don't know parts. I'm not very outgoing but talk to people. I found out a friend of mine was doing something similar. (I became discouraged to learn he was doing it a lot faster and with so far good results but have since realized his scale is different, as is his risk-tolerance and goals). I did learn a lot and find re-assurance from hearing about his experience though.

-Talk to the agents and lenders, don't expect THEM to make you rich, don't hound them, don't rely too much, do your own research but talk to them, realize you're worth their time if you're going to ultimately trying to give them your business but try not to waste their time as well.

-Try to take your emotions out of it all. In the beginning although I was running numbers I was staying away from houses I would not want to live in even though they met all standards. Ultimately the house I purchased is not for my taste but is very rent-able, that matters more.

-Make sure you have a good agent, lender, property manager lined up. Eventually you'll also need an attorney (I went with the one provided by lender which was a VERY good choice), and a home-owners insurance provider (I used multiple agents until I was happy with coverage and price (DON'T under insure).

-Don't get discouraged. There are some things many people seem to insist upon in your position but keep doing your research, keep staying active in action. Even if your next task is to learn about mortgage types or to learn how home insurance works or to decide on LLC vs Sole Proprietor ownership (<--- Hot Topic). These are things that seem intimidating and halt the whole process but little by little hitting these topics on your way to finding and bidding and closing on the home helps immensely. 

-Keep looking for what you don't know, this is probably good advice for any new skill/activity/business endeavor. 

There's a lot more I'd love to say about all this so I'll leave it for questions/topics, whether it be the mortgage product (30 year fixed), ownership type (individual), analysis process, decision making, "why this and not that", I'd love to discuss it all. It will help review the process for myself and maybe help others understand how and why to do things a certain way. Thank you for reading and good luck!

Which area did you end up purchasing in and can you share some of the numbers? I purchased three properties through Roofstock and one through Excalibur and Excalibur manages all four of them. While looking for properties with the aid of Excalibur I experienced horrendous inspections twice (I won't even consider a property now that has prior pending sales that fell through) and also experienced MLS properties being scooped up right after listing, even beating out my full price offers. Atlanta Metro is a sellers market and I think becoming more difficult for out of state buyers.

Post: Roofstock Case Study

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Originally posted by @Lara Chinarro:
Originally posted by @Jason G.:

I think that makes sense, but was I was told is "no, because we don't want to bother the tenant". That did not seem like a good reason for me!

 I agree.  That is not an acceptable basis to disallow an inspection.

Post: Roofstock Case Study

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Originally posted by @Lara Chinarro:

Thanks for this helpful thread!

I spoke with someone from Roofstock a few days ago and decided that we could not invest with them. They told me they would not allow an inspection "because there are already tenants in the home and we cannot bother them". Of course, that was a huge red flag and dismissed them immediately.

But it seems that you have had no issues having the properties inspected. Great to know!

 There should either be an inspection already performed by roofstock or an inspection contingency in place.  If they already did an inspection which would be available in the diligence vault then I can understand if they said no to an additional one.  Otherwise I would recommend asking to speak to someone else there because that doesn't appear to be in line with what I understand their business practices to be and my own experience purchasing 3 properties through them.

Post: Roofstock Case Study

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Originally posted by @Shujaat I.:

Jason, Super helpful analysis. 

For those who have used this site, I notice they show a “cap rate” for each property any idea how to determine what assumptions they are using for the expenses side of the cap rate equation? Is it possible to get a breakdown of the various expenses for a particular property? 

 There is a "View Financial Details" option under the section of the property listing that allows you to enter your offer.