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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Durrin

Joshua Durrin has started 19 posts and replied 100 times.

Post: Real Estate Investors in SF Bay Area

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

@Mary Griffin

Hi Mary,

I’m a local investor living in the Bay Area. I’d be happy to chat with you about what I’ve done to get started and maybe even help you find a deal.

Post: How Many RE Investors are Engineers?

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

@Adam Zach

Biochemical/process engineer here

Post: First Long-Distance Deal Closed

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

@Trevor Fleck

We rented the unit for $1400 / mn and “facelift” costs (if I can use that term instead because it wasn’t really a rehab so much) were $15k. I put $60k down (40%) due to it needing non-recourse financing. So all in was about $75k... higher than I wanted, but it was a first time 401k deal for me and a long distance one at that so I was glad to learn the process.

I’m considering paying it off entirely, but given it cash flows positive, I don’t have to hurry on that decision. Future options also could be to find cheaper financing and pull out some of my down to use elsewhere.

Again, this was a first time deal for me in many ways. I’m glad to have learned the process mostly. Now I can refine it and make it better for the next one.

Post: First Long-Distance Deal Closed

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Madison.

Purchase price: $155,000
Cash invested: $75,000

Contributors:
John White

This was a first-time venture for me in that I was entirely remote. This deal was also purchased in a solo 401k that used non-recourse financing. I found the agent here on BiggerPockets. The seller was ready to move and given the inspections from a prior buyer that had fallen out of escrow, we were able to get it in contract under list price. Just as we entered the deal, the pandemic reared it's ugly head too. In the end, it rented in the first month for $100 more than anticipated.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This was an interesting challenge because it was my first time buying a property from within my solo 401k. In doing so, I had to be very careful at how the ownership of the property was structured to make sure that I, personally, was not an owner nor were any of my personal funds used. This property had to be entirely owned by my 401k as the entity... not me. Additionally, this was my first deal done entirely remote.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found this deal after connecting with an agent/investor in the area. While the property was listed, it had just fallen out of contract with another buyer and my agent had first hand insight into the condition and story behind the sale. Leveraging the former buyer's experience, we were able to get this one under contract below listing right from the start and include agreement for the seller to address some repairs right from the get-go.

How did you finance this deal?

I had to use non-recourse commercial financing for this deal. This property was purchased from within my solo 401k and thus I, personally, could not have ownership of the property. Rather, my 401k needed to be shown as the owner. Additionally the debt had to be non-recourse since I, as a person, was not an owner, per se, of the property.

How did you add value to the deal?

The surfaces in the property were well used and thus had to be refreshed. My agent recommended a great property manager prior to closing and I got her involved early on to assess the repairs she felt would add value. She was able to get quotes lined up and upon closure we were able to pull the trigger to get contractors in to replace the flooring and paint the entire house inside and out. I also replaced all the blinds in the house.

What was the outcome?

My property manager was able to get it rented for $100/mn more than what we budgeted when I planned to buy the property after the facelift we did on the property. It was rented the first after closing with a one year lease signed.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

I learned so much about buying remotely and buying within a retirement account. This was truly a valuable experience given all that, fortunately, went right. Having learned the process now, I can hone it to tighten the numbers and streamline the efforts for all of us in the future. This was accomplished, too, during the Covid-19 pandemic. So despite the challenging conditions, everyone pulled through and made this a great success.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I did. John White was my agent with his team. Carolyn Dietrich is my property/project manager. Both are actively involved in RE everyday and successful investors themselves. Their experience and established network were key to the success of this effort for sure. Big thanks to them and their respective teams.

Post: First Long-Distance Deal Closed

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Madison.

Purchase price: $155,000
Cash invested: $75,000

Contributors:
John White

This was another first-time venture for me. Proud to say that it is completed and performing at this point.

This was a deal purchased in a solo 401k that used non-recourse financing. That was one of the biggest complications. I found the agent here on BiggerPockets and together we searched for a home in the Huntsville area. Madison is a nice suburb of Huntsville with excellent real estate prices and promising growth potential as the area continues to expand.

This listing was, while listed, somewhat of a pocket listing with the agent as well given he had a former buyer that backed out of the deal. The seller was ready to move on it and given the inspections, we were able to get it under contract less than list price. Just as we entered the deal, the pandemic reared it's ugly head. However, much to my surprise, there was relatively no impact to the progress of the deal and rehab as a result.

The house needed some light rehab to replace the flooring and paint the interior/exterior entirely. I also replaced all the blinds throughout. Given the rehab, we were actually able to rent it for more than what we had budgeted for.

An additional point about this property was that I was entirely remote through this endeavor. I've never personally seen the house. A key to this being successful was being able to work with a great agent in the area who was also a local investor. As such, he was also able to provide great recommendations for property management and in turn for rehab contractors in order to get the property performing.

I'm so grateful to have been able to accomplish this, and to have done it entirely remotely is the icing on the cake. A big thanks to the team included in this effort as well. The boots on the ground were critical to this being a success. Big thanks go out to them.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This was an interesting challenge because it was my first time buying a property from within my solo 401k. In doing so, I had to be very careful at how the ownership of the property was structured to make sure that I, personally, was not shown as an owner nor were any of my personal funds used. This property had to be entirely owned by my 401k as the entity... not me. Additionally, this was my first deal done entirely remote.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found this deal after connecting with an agent/investor in the area. While the property was listed, it had just fallen out of contract with another buyer and my agent had first hand insight into the condition and story behind the sale. Leveraging the former buyer's experience, we were able to get this one under contract below listing right from the start and include agreement for the seller to address some repairs right from the get-go.

How did you finance this deal?

I had to use non-recourse commercial financing for this deal. This property was purchased from within my solo 401k and thus I, personally, could not have ownership of the property. Rather, my 401k needed to be shown as the owner. Additionally the debt had to be non-recourse since I, as a person, was not an owner, per se, of the property.

How did you add value to the deal?

The surfaces in the property were well used and thus had to be refreshed. My agent recommended a great property manager prior to closing and I got her involved early on to assess the repairs she felt would add value. She was able to get quotes lined up and upon closure we were able to pull the trigger to get contractors in to replace the flooring and paint the entire house inside and out. I also replaced all the blinds in the house.

What was the outcome?

My property manager was able to get it rented for $100/mn more than what we budgeted when I planned to buy the property after the facelift we did on the property. It was rented the first after closing with a one year lease signed.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

I learned so much about buying remotely and buying within a retirement account. This was truly a valuable experience given all that, fortunately, went right. Having learned the process now, I can hone it to tighten the numbers and streamline the efforts for all of us in the future. This was accomplished, too, during the Covid-19 pandemic. So despite the challenging conditions, everyone pulled through and made this a great success.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I did. John White was my agent with his team. Carolyn Dietrich is my property/project manager. Both are actively involved in RE everyday and successful investors themselves. Their experience and established network were key to the success of this effort for sure. Big thanks to them and their respective teams.

Post: SF Bay Area Real Estate Investing

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

Hi Victor, 

Welcome to the forums.  I'm a local broker and investor myself.  Would be happy to chat with you any time about getting into the market and share stories.  I eat, sleep, and breathe this stuff and just have a blast getting to know others that are of a similar mindset.  Let's connect.  

Regards,

Josh Durrin

Durrin Realty

Post: HELP!!! Deal financing issue!

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

@James Williams

Seller financing?

Ask the seller to carry back the note on the property for 12-18 months (allows the title to be seasoned so that you can refinance). As soon as you can (maybe even before the term) refinance and pay the seller’s note. Your rehab shouldn’t take but more than a couple of months at that price. And you’ll be in peak selling season (or peak valuation season) within a couple of months whereby you’ll likely get the highest appraisal for refinancing.

Hit me up in a pm and let me know how it works out.

- Josh

Post: Roofstock (Review / Case Study)

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

@Emil Shour, thanks for sharing your numbers. Do you mind if I ask what you’re accounting for in your expense category? Are you accounting for vacancy, capex, maintenance, PM, marketing, etc? Or is it actual expenses like PM and maintenance only? Thanks!

Post: So my tenant DIED this past weekend....

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

@Diana Dorantes in CA there is a process for this. If the tenant “abandons” the unit, the landlord is required to file a particular notice (can’t remember which off the top of my head) with the state and post a copy of it on the property for a certain number of days... something on the order of 21 days or so. Afterward they are required to remove and store the belongings for an additional amount of time before they can be legally claimed by the landlord or disposed of (again, something on the order of 30 days or so).

I’m not entirely sure the term “abandon” applies to the death of a tenant. You’d certainly want to confirm your states process before you took any action of your own.

Like others have stated too, you’ve hired a PM. This is his/her time step up and handle business to earn their next placement fee.

- Josh

RE Broker and Investor in East Bay, CA

Post: Is this worth my time???

Joshua DurrinPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 41

@Colleen Cupp, it’s a numbers game that you’re talking about but I can tell you that your hand is going to get super tired really quickly.

To see how many mailers you need to send, consider some reasonable rates discussed in the podcasts. If I recall, they mentioned the possibility of getting a response on about 2% of what you mail... and you’ll close on about 5% of those. So, out of 200 mailers, you might get 4 responses (200 x 0.02). Out of those you can plan to close on 5% of those, or (4 x 0.05)... 0.2. Put another way, you have a 20% chance of closing on a deal if you service 200 mailers on a campaign over about 8 months.

If you want better odds at finding a deal, increase your list. And by increasing your list, you’ve just built yourself a full time job of hand writing letters and you’re going to have forearms like Popeye by the end of your campaign.

You’ll never get a deal if you don’t get the word out there, but consider putting forth more effort developing a scalable business. Put in a couple hours at your day job and hire out the mailer campaign, buy back your time, and then reinvest that time into developing a scalable system. That’s what I would advise.

Best of luck and congrats on finding the drive!

- Josh

RE Broker and Investor in the East Bay Area