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All Forum Posts by: Cory Binsfield

Cory Binsfield has started 10 posts and replied 153 times.

Post: Why I'm not a flipper

Cory Binsfield
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  • Financial Advisor
  • Duluth, MN
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 194
Originally posted by @Drew Denham:

How do you know when not to over leverage yourself in mortgages? The buy and hold doesn't allow U to retire early, correct? I've kind of always liked Thad (flip this house tv show) where he would keep flipping until he could buy a rental outright. ThoughtCory Binsfield r

Thanks. How do I get the down payments? I have one rental in a A- area 8 yrs left on the mortgage and it's a wash w payment and rent. I really don't want to pull the equity out but I project I can save 15k in 10 months. What's your strategy for having a down payment?

Depends on your long term goal. I started by doing cash out refi's to build the portfolio one property at a time. To ensure cash flow, I always used 30 year fixed loans. After I hit my ten limit, I was forced into 20 year commercial loans. Down payments came from savings and living below my means plus buying right and being able to pull out equity for more properties. Once you hit your goal, then you can focus on mortgage paydown via 10 or 15 year loans. 

Post: Why I'm not a flipper

Cory Binsfield
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  • Financial Advisor
  • Duluth, MN
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 194
Originally posted by @Drew Denham:

How do you know when not to over leverage yourself in mortgages? The buy and hold doesn't allow U to retire early, correct? I've kind of always liked Thad (flip this house tv show) where he would keep flipping until he could buy a rental outright. Thoughts ? 

Leverage is the tricky part. As long as you carefully manage the loans and buy for cash flow you can still retire early.  Let's say you had 20 homes at 400/mo net cash flow after loans, that's 8,000 per month. Not a bad retirement. Plus it's almost all tax free since your  an investor versus a flipper. Their is a reason the IRS classifies flippetrs as dealers. It's  the worst tax classification to be in!

Or you could flip a few and pay down mortgages with the profits. I know a guy that combines buy and hold with flips. His main wealth machine is the  buy and hold and the flips are on the side. Due to his flip business, he has a full time crew that can be used on his buy and hold portfolio as well. It's an interesting model but he's full time. 

Post: Why I'm not a flipper

Cory Binsfield
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  • Duluth, MN
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Definitely an interesting perspective @Cory Binsfield

I agree with @Mark Ferguson , I see flipping as a way for me to generate the large chunks of cash it takes to buy my rentals. Fore example, I will soon close on a flip that will sell for $165,000. It will cost me a pretty good chunk in taxes, but it wouldn't have been a good rental. I plan to take that profit and buy a rental property. 

The advantage of the flip is I can use short term private money for the flip and then use my profits to buy rental properties free and clear. Essentially I can operate with none of my own money now if I choose to.

Flipping is a great means to an end. I've for nothing against this approach as long as you keep the end in mind-building wealth.

Post: Why I'm not a flipper

Cory Binsfield
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  • Financial Advisor
  • Duluth, MN
  • Posts 156
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Originally posted by @Hattie Dizmond:

@Cory Binsfield 

That was an amazing post.  Thank you, so much.  I'm actually in the process of listening to Rich Dad, Poor Dad as an audiobook, and this post could not have been more timely!

Glad I could inspire you! Rich Dad Poor Dad is a great resource. Just watch out for high priced gurus. 

Post: Why I'm not a flipper

Cory Binsfield
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  • Duluth, MN
  • Posts 156
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The other day I grabbed $40,000 tax free from refinancing a duplex that originally started as an ugly duckling. As I was walking out of the closing on my way to the bank, I couldn't help but wonder how a flipper would have fared on this deal.

I'm not telling you this to brag, but to give you perspective from a buy and hold real estate investor who doesn't have a ten thousand dollar course and coaching program to sell you.

I must admit, the allure of flipping has crossed my mind from time to time. Brandon Turner, at Bigger Pockets, calls this the shiny object syndrome.

In other words, your are doing something that works and then you hear about an investor doing something else and start to wonder if you could be doing something better. Pretty soon, your all over the map with different real estate strategies and have nothing to show for it.

Beware of shiny objects people!

Don't get me wrong. I have flipped a few properties back in the early days of my investment career only to find out later that the taxes and time weren't worth the hassle.

In my humble opinion, you can't build true wealth by rapidly buying and selling assets unless you have lots of capital and a unique edge that the market hasn't discovered yet.

Once the market discovers your edge, people pile in and your margins eventually evaporate. This is the nature of the beast called capitalism.

In the stock market, it's called the Efficient Market Hypothesis.

Like Warren Buffett, I trade little if not at all. My holding period is forever. All my time is spent nurturing my little flock of golden geese while waiting for the right deal to come along.

When it shows up, I pounce and attempt to create long term value through strategic renovations, repositioning or savvy management.

Notice how I'm not fighting the market like the typical flipper. I don't have to find a deal to put food on the table and I can patiently wait for the proverbial fat pitch. I'm simply surfing the wave of capitalism while making minor course corrections.

Yea...this is some heavy stuff. Kinda like Yoda trying to teach an impatient Luke Skywalker how to raise a spaceship from a swamp by harnessing the power of the force.

Let's take a look at my ugly duckling deal and compare it to a flipper who creates the exact same golden goose but kills it for a fast buck.

Way back in 2011, the real estate market was licking it's wounds from the Countrywide Mortgage Subprime Hustle. The loan market was slowly beginning to thaw while bankers were hiding under their desks. The only people who could afford to buy were hedge funds and folks with lots of cash on hand and AAA credit.

As luck would have it, my flooring guy told me about a vacant duplex that was in need of major repair and the owner would seller finance for little down. The perfect pitch!

After a quick assessment, I was able to structure a "win-win" deal where the seller would accept $2,100 down and finance the balance of the purchase of $37,000 at 5% for 20 years with a 10 year balloon. The payment worked out to be $245 per month plus taxes and insurance.

I say "win-win" since the banks had shut me out of the market and I could only buy if it was owner financed. Being that I already had eleven conventional loans, I was forced to deal with commercial banks that were simply not lending due to the real estate crisis.

How bad was it? I had two Countrywide loans that were sold to Bank of America and a commercial loan that was sold three different times in two years since the prior originators had went under. One of the lenders was actually Lehman Brothers-go figure!

The seller was delighted since he was sitting on an empty property and would receive steady cash flow without having to lift a finger.

I closed in December 2011 with my favorite title company and started renovating the first unit in January of 2012. It was almost a complete gut job, but I lucked out since the owner had already started the remodel process and most of the materials were already in the unit.

The place needed new flooring, kitchen cabinets, gas boiler, new shower, bath, a serious clean out and lots of paint. The plumbing and electrical were sound and this is why I quickly made an offer after my walk through.

After spending five months on the upper unit, I managed to get my first renter at $700 per month and had my monthly nut covered. I paid the water and garbage and the tenant paid the heat and electric.

Note: The reason the renovation took so long is I have a full time job and I do this on the side. Moreover, I used tradesman that work on the side as well.

Next, I tackled the lower unit and pretty much did the same thing. After four more months, the lower unit was rented in November of 2012 for $750 per month.

Once again, I covered the garbage and water and the tenant paid the rest.

Finally, I was generating some serious cash flow. Combined, I was taking in $1,450 per month in rents less mortgage payments of $245 excluding taxes, insurance, utilities, maintenance and the new gas boiler loan payment.

Here's a breakdown of the calendar years income and expenses from purchase to refinance.

Purchase date December 2011

Upper Unit Annual income: First renter in June 2012 at $700/mo

2012-$4200

2013-$8400

2014-$4200 before rent increase.

Lower Unit Annual Income: Second renter in November 2012 $750/mo

2012 $1500

2013 $9000

2014 $4500

Total cash flow $31,800

Total Expenses from January 2012 to August 2014:

Water -2,040

Garbage -1,200

Property taxes -3,600

Maintenance and repairs -2,120

Total operating expenses $8,960

Net Operating Income (NOI) over 2 years $22,840

Total debt service $7,272 (including new gas boiler loan).

Cash flow after debt service $15,568

How did I pay for renovations you might ask?

I used the cash flow from my real estate portfolio to cover the construction. Total cost for all the renovations spread out over 12 months or so was $29,941. This brought my "all in cost" of the ugly duckling to $69,041.

Based on my market analysis at time of purchase, I figured the property could sell for $110,000. Fortunately, I was a bit too conservative and the market had improved over the next few years.

Still, I live in a market were duplex values have not recovered since the peak of the sub-prime mortgage meltdown.

On August 8, 2014 the appraisal came in at $139,000. I was stunned!

Assuming I could sell it at this price, my total gain (before selling costs) would be $69,959. This is before I factor in the net cash flow from operations (NOI).

Adding in the NOI it looked like this:

Net income from buying and holding since purchase: $15,568

Profit based upon appraisal: $69,959

Total return $85,527

Total investment out of pocket: $31,941 (down payment plus renovations)

Total cash on cash return: 268%

WHAT IF I SOLD AS A FLIP?

Assuming I could renovate and close this deal in 6 months, I would have to hire a contractor to manage the renovations with a time line of 2 months or less.

Let's assume it take six months from acquisition to sale since the average days on market at the time of sale for this type of property was three months in 2012.

Furthermore, let's assume the contractor needs a 20% profit margin to oversee the flip. Adding in this factor to my renovation cost and I'm up to $35,930 for improvements.

Here's the math if I were a professional flipper.

Renovation cost plus purchase price : $72,930

Estimated holding costs (taxes, insurance, utilities, payments ) $3,500

Realtor commission and closing at 8% $11,120

Total cost as a flipper $87,550

Total gain before tax $51,450

But wait......that's before our silent partner with the initials IRS takes his cut.

Short term capital gain tax at 25% $12,863

Self Employment tax at 15.3% $7,872

Total loss to silent partner $20,735

Net profit after tax $30,715

$30,000 in six months is still a sweet deal. The problem is I can't find deals like this day in and day out to create enough income to hit my retirement goal while raising two kids, two dogs AND making sure my lovely girlfriend sticks around.

Throw in a few vacations, college savings, some walking around money and my annual household "nut" is way north of this number.

What happens when I cash that $30,000 check? I have to reinvest most of the money into another deal and do the process all over again.

Worse, the more I succeed as a flipper, the higher my tax rate.

Imagine if I were super successful flipper like some of the BP folks on the podcast. My combined tax rate would jump to 45% to 55% and this would force me to hire more people and reinvest larger and larger sums to keep the operation running smoothly.

Dang...just thinking about this makes me tired. I'd rather be Warren Buffet who manages one of the biggest companies in the world from a drab office in Omaha with a staff of 24 employes.

Oh, he sits around and reads a lot while sipping Cherry Coke. Periodically, he hops on his private jet to appear on CNBC to warn investors not to trade a lot and simply buy the market and surf the wave of capitalism.

Come to think of it, I bet Warren has less staff than some of the largest flippers out there who don't even come close to generating 182 billion in revenue.

Did I mention he is in a lower tax bracket than his assistant who draws a six figure salary?

Let's circle back now and compare my check from the closing to what I would have earned as a short term flipper.

As you may recall, I pulled out $40,000 tax free as a result of my refinance compared to a hypothetical flip profit of $30,000 by refinancing the seller note and furnace loan at 5.5% over 20 years. The new payment is slightly less since I paid off the seller note and the furnace loan.

Yes.....I could have grabbed more, but I wanted to keep the loan to value at 60% or less for strong cash flow.

Over time, I will continue to net about $13,750 per year tax free by keeping it as a buy and hold while the tenants pay all my expenses on the property including the mortgage. If I do sell, I will avoid taxes by simply doing this thing called a tax deferred exchange.

How cool is that?

If I die, my kids get the property at the current market value. All taxes are stepped up and my kids can sell the golden goose or continue collecting passive income.

Take that Mr. IRS!

Best of all, I don't have to wake up everyday and punch the flipper clock to generate another $30,000. I can generate the same income by simply replicating this deal with a couple of more properties.

Yes, I have to manage tenants, field phone calls and lease the property every so often. Still, a completely renovated property is easy to rent and has fewer repair requests as long as you let the right type of tenant into your property.

Lastly, this is not my typical deal. Over the years, I've made my share of mistakes. However, the good deals tend to smooth out the bad. Fortunately, real estate is forgiving as long as you buy for cash flow.

This ugly duckling in now my golden goose. She's just sitting there laying monthly golden eggs worth $1,145. As long as I continue to take care of her, she will take care of me for years on end.

Don't kill the goose.

Post: Is This Tenant Worth The Effort?

Cory Binsfield
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  • Financial Advisor
  • Duluth, MN
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 194

I would respectfully let them out of the lease. If this is a property in a high demand area, you will have no problems renting it. It's been my experience that the most difficult tenants at move in are the worst at move out. Plus, a three year lease binds both parties and this could turn your life into a living hell. Do you have another person outside of the contractor that could walk thru with a second opinion? If the issues need to be addressed, you want to do them now before this happens again. Chalk it up to a learning experience and create a new procedure to ensure this doesn't happen again. 

Post: Investing 100K

Cory Binsfield
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  • Duluth, MN
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$100,000 is a great start if you play your cards right. The  key is to determine your risk tolerance, experience with investments and time you can spend on either mutual funds or real estate.  

Whatever you do, get educated first since both investment strategies can cost you a fortune if you don't know what you are doing. 

Here's a starting point. 

For mutual funds, I would read the book "The Investment Answer" by Dan Goldie and Gordon Murray. 

For real estate, read "The Millionaire Landlord" by Gary Kellor. 

I would not loan money to people since it's extremely risky. There is no free lunch on Wall Street or Main Street. If someone promises you returns that are 10% or higher, ask your self what's the catch? 

I'm a buy and hold investor and tend to get higher returns than stocks since I treat my real estate as a business. However, it's a lot more work to get double digit returns in real estate than simply buying a diversified portfolio of mutual funds. 

Why? Owning a real estate business is riskier than buying and holding portfolio of 1,000 of stocks around the globe via low cost index funds. 

Another great resource would be the annual reports that Berkshire Hathaway publishes each year. If you were to read all of the shareholder letters from Warren Buffet and Charlie Munger, you would learn a lot about the business of investing. 

Good luck and make sure you do your research. There is nothing wrong with sitting in cash and waiting for the perfect pitch. 

Good luck!

Post: Need a service for tenants to pay rent electronically

Cory Binsfield
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  • Financial Advisor
  • Duluth, MN
  • Posts 156
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I use Paylease. 

I pay a small monthly fee ($19.95).  Tenants sign up directly with the company once you are approved with the system. 

I like this company since the tenants pay the fee and I don't. Plus, they accept credit cards. If the tenant pays via ACH it costs them $2.95. None of my tenants gripe about this. If they have no cash, the credit card fee is spendy-$20-40 depending on rent amount. 

They have great customer service and the tenant can call them directly if there is an issue. 

Rent is automatically deposited in your account and it's easy to track. Here's the website

Www.paylease.com

Post: What other Real Estate Podcasts do you listen to?

Cory Binsfield
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  • Duluth, MN
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I'm a big fan of Steve Davis and Del Walmsley at Lifestyles Unlimited. No hype and great advice.

Another good one is Jason Hartman. However, he has some pretty bizarre guests and views. If you can weed through some of the crazy conspiracy theories, it's a another great show for both real estate and self improvement. Just watch out for his advice on the dollar, inflation and gold. He has been waaaaaaaaay off. 

Post: SFR landlords how do you keep renters from ruining your properties?

Cory Binsfield
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  • Duluth, MN
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Good tenants don't turn bad once they move into your property. It's simply a matter of being patient and selective and never letting your guard down. As long as you treat every applicant the same and set standards on who you would rent to, you won't run into problems 80% of the time. As everyone is stating, run background reports and live by the motto "trust but verify." The best way to attract good tenants is to own good properties. You pay more, buy you end up with less headaches. Nice properties attract nice tenants and create a nice net worth.