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All Forum Posts by: Jerry Poon

Jerry Poon has started 39 posts and replied 231 times.

Post: Portfolio Loan vs. Mortgage on Investment Properties

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67
Originally posted by @Dion DePaoli:

"Mortgage" is the security instrument used in ALL those loan transactions.  A "portfolio loan" is different than a "non-portfolio loan" (both will be mortgages), in that a portfolio loan is held by the Lender and a non is originated with the intent to sell off in the secondary.  

It is not exactly clear what the banker meant by "traditional".  If I was a betting man, he may have sensed you were trying to treat the loan as commercial versus residential.  So he said "traditional" in a reference to mean the typical residential loan.  

Portfolio lenders create their own underwriting guidelines.  That may or may not put emphasis on the property cash flow or personal guarantee, etc.  The key distinction is the bank, since it makes it's own guidelines can waiver from those with more autonomy.  It does not mean the two guidelines are vastly different.   Many times they are greatly similar. 

Thanks for clearing that up. Would it make more financial sense to dry up my non-portfolio loan sources before doing portfolio? It seems that most non-portfolio lenders have better rates than portfolio lenders.

Post: Finding a portfolio lender

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67
Originally posted by @Brent Kelley:

I recently closed on my 10th property and, according to Fannie Mae, I'm cut off! I have been looking into other options such as blanket loans and portfolio lenders, so that I can continue investing. From what I understand, a portfolio lender is the way to go. However, I'm having trouble finding one in my area... that will do loans out of state. I live in California but my rentals are all in other states (since California is ridiculously over-priced). Any tips on what to do or how to find a lender that will accommodate me? Am I searching for something that doesn't exist?? Thanks.

-Brent

 Did you get to a 10th loan through a traditional loan? How did you forego the debt to income ratio?

Post: Portfolio Loan vs. Mortgage on Investment Properties

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67

I have the impression that portfolio lenders give loans based on the performance of the properties. While I was speaking with my personal bank, they said they could offer better rates in the form of a traditional mortgage, but would cap my lending amount at a 43% debt to income ratio.

My goal is to leverage my money as much as possible to maximize my buying power. Is it better to forego the better rates of a mortgage and stick with portfolio lenders because of the fact that portfolio lenders can lend out more money in the long run?

Post: Purchase Price and Appraisal Differences

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67

Recently, I had a few appraisals done on properties in an area that produces good cashflow at the price of the quality of the properties. I don't care about the quality much, as I will never live in the area. I care about the cashflow, and I am in no way counting on appreciation. With that being said, two major problems came up.

1. The appraisals came back at about 80% of my purchase price. This is a major, major red flag to me. I do understand that some appraisers take into account short-sales, low cash purchase numbers, and might have subjective comps in their methods, but going into this will put me underwater from the get-go. How much stock should I put into the appraisal price?

2. This kills my buying leverage-based strategy, as my financier only covers 75% the lower number between appraisal and purchase price. Because of the low appraisal, the bank will be lending me a lot less money than I originally intended, and now I might have to drop one or two of the properties, which changes everything. Is there any way the appraisal numbers can change without me having to pay for additional appraisals?

Has anyone been in this situation before? What did you do?

Post: I have 30 units, but I want to build an empire

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67

@Steve A. How did you manage to get 30 units in 1 year??

Post: Historical Rental Rates

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67

@Franklin Romine A little reckless... but I like your style.

Post: Newbie Deal Help

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67

@Joseph Ball Do you know of any turnkey sellers in that area?

Post: Newbie Deal Help

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67
Originally posted by @Joseph Ball:

Seller is not motivated. I buy these all day long-around $8,000-$10,000. Just bought one  today for $3,300. Don't be the motivated party.

 Do you buy them as-is? Do they need rehab?

Post: Stupid Question?,

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67

@Brandon Turner wow its the great brandon turner

Post: New Member from New York Ciy (investing in Ohio)

Jerry PoonPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 236
  • Votes 67

@Brandon Sturgill @Engelo Rumora Nice nice. Are those areas recommended for out of state investors? I'm kind of priced out in CA, so I'm looking for turnkey places elsewhere.