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All Forum Posts by: Joe Fermin

Joe Fermin has started 8 posts and replied 56 times.

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Robin Simon:
Quote from @Joe Fermin:

evening all.  went to speak to a local bank today regarding a potential mortgage on an investment property.  we have our primary home and an occupied rental.  they said that the minimum down payment for another home would be at least 30%.  is that about the typical size of down payment on an investment home?  thanks for any info


DSCR Loans typical minimum is 20% (with 15% in some cases, but hard to cash flow in this rate environment at 15% down)


 thank you robin!

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @David Bilandzija:
Quote from @Joe Fermin:
Quote from @David Bilandzija:

Hey @Joe Fermin 90% combined LTV is the best I'm aware of on long term rental loan program (30 yr fixed). The lender I've worked with in these scenarios will offer 75% max LTV on a first trust deed mortgage and allow seller financing to make up the remainder (up to 90% CLTV).

There's no look at DSCR for qualifying the loan either. Good luck

for a dscr, does the property have to have a current renter in it to prove income?  

No. For the program i was referencing a current renter is not needed, property can be vacant.


 thank you

Post: To LLC or to not LLC?

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Bob Foglia:

I am a relatively new investor and haven't yet put any properties into another entity. I currently have two SFR's (self-managed) and am in the process of turning my current primary residence into a third SFR and moving out of state... I have a management company lined up, and would like to stay "anonymous".

I will contact my accountant but was curious about what is typically recommended by the more experienced community here? 


 thanks for posting the question bob as im curious about this as well

Post: To LLC or to not LLC?

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Jeff Copeland:

A CPA will tell you one thing, an attorney will tell you another, an insurance broker will tell you another, and a lender will tell you something else. Ultimately, you have to do what works for you based on your financial situation and risk tolerance. 

If you place your properties into an LLC, you'll need to update your insurance coverages to reflect the new ownership (and to maintain an insurable interest in the property). This in turn often tips off your lender (who is a named insured on your insurance policies) if you have financing in place in your personal name, and can (but doesn't always) trigger the due on sale clause in your mortgage(s). 

Advantages: Improved (but still imperfect) asset protection via a "corporate veil". More anonymity. Possible tax benefits depending on how you distribute the income. 

Disadvantages: Higher insurance costs (the same insurance coverage, but in the name of an LLC, is almost always more expensive). Risk of causing issues with existing financing. Lots of hassle (transferring title, changing insurance, setting up new bookkeeping, etc)

If you keep the properties in your own name, insurance coverage is key. Most landlord/homeowner policies max out on liability protection at $100k, $300k, or sometimes $500k. This isn't enough for an investor who owns multiple properties. You need to insure against a worst-case scenario: A wrongful death that occurs at one of your properties. This can me done via a $1M or $2M umbrella policy. 

It's important to note that your insurance company doesn't just stroke a check for the policy limit anytime there's a claim. On the contrary, they have a duty to defend you against claims, and will fight tooth and nail to minimize payout. So, when (not if) there is a claim, your insurance company will assign counsel and fights the lawsuit on your behalf. 

I'll PM you some additional info on asset protection and insurance. 

(Also, be sure to update your insurance coverage when you convert your primary to a rental!)


 just piggybacking on this thread as this is a question im interested in as well.  would you mind sending me the info on asset protection and insurance as well.  thanks jeff

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @David Bilandzija:

Hey @Joe Fermin 90% combined LTV is the best I'm aware of on long term rental loan program (30 yr fixed). The lender I've worked with in these scenarios will offer 75% max LTV on a first trust deed mortgage and allow seller financing to make up the remainder (up to 90% CLTV).

There's no look at DSCR for qualifying the loan either. Good luck

for a dscr, does the property have to have a current renter in it to prove income?  

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

Typical is 25%. Shoot for owner finance. 


 thank you eliott.  for owner finance, is that something you approach the owner with when making the offer?

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Kathy Utiss:

A lot of people will tell you to attempt to do business locally. However, most banks and or lenders have so many hoops to jump thru. Even though you have a primary residence , and a rental does the debt to income or built in equity cover help the deal make sense? Credit score is a big factor as well. There are some companies offering jv equity partnerships that might help. However, my experience was not what was expected. You will have some chime in I'm sure. But the more info given the more precise your answers will be. 

thank you kathy

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @David Bilandzija:

Hey @Joe Fermin 90% combined LTV is the best I'm aware of on long term rental loan program (30 yr fixed). The lender I've worked with in these scenarios will offer 75% max LTV on a first trust deed mortgage and allow seller financing to make up the remainder (up to 90% CLTV).

There's no look at DSCR for qualifying the loan either. Good luck

thanks for the info david.  this is the first exposure for dscr for me so ill definitely do some more digging there.  i appreciate it

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16

thanks kathy and eliott.  this was the first convo i had with any sort of lender and wanted an idea of what was out there.  i did not really provide them with any financial specifics either so as i dig into it a bit more im sure ill have more questions.  thanks again

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16

evening all.  went to speak to a local bank today regarding a potential mortgage on an investment property.  we have our primary home and an occupied rental.  they said that the minimum down payment for another home would be at least 30%.  is that about the typical size of down payment on an investment home?  thanks for any info