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All Forum Posts by: Joe S.

Joe S. has started 346 posts and replied 3470 times.

Post: If you could move anywhere in the US...

Joe S.
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The grass seems to always be greener somewhere else. The guy that mentioned San Antonio lives in Austin.. go figure. 
Abraham Lincoln said, “ most people are as happy as they make up their mind to be.” 

Post: Multiple Family has a high bar of entrance.

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Originally posted by @Bill F.:

@Joe S. No worries, we are all here to help each other! 

I have had a different route and went from SFRs to MHPs since those are a better fit more my knowledge, skills, and abilities. 

The model I used isn't that creative, but rather pretty boring. 

Saved money, invested in quality assets, learned and networked in the space, slowly transitioned away from SFRs as my older assets realized their returns and I underwrote a ton of deals to find the ones that worked. 

What lead you to like the SFR space?

The low entrance bar was what got me into the SF space. I basically just kept adding one house after another. You mentioned about go talk to my banker. I bought most of my houses through non traditional means. I just recently got to a place that my LLC could get its own loans, but I'm not sure if Covid 19 changed that.

I would love to talk with you off line about your investment model.

Post: Multiple Family has a high bar of entrance.

Joe S.
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Originally posted by @Bill F.:

@Joe S.

At first blush, I'd agree with @Joe Splitrock, why mess up a good thing? You have almost 20yrs of experience in a space and want to move to another space that, at the moment, is pretty crowded. Why not color up your existing portfolio in more high class assets that are easier to  manage? 

Also, what size of MF are we talking here? 5-20 units,20-50, 50-100, 100+? There is a big difference between 15 units and 150 units.  

If you've had your SFR portfolio for awhile, financing shouldn't be that big of a deal, since you can clearly show your growth and stability to a banker.

This may be cliche advice, but I'd start by having a conversation with the banker you have now to see what that bank's appetite is for larger units. If they like it, great, if not find another bank; talk through some scenarios of what they like/dislike and things they don't want to see, e.g. selling more than y% of the portfolio within x months of the purchase. 

Once you know what the banks won't/will do, you should have a much better picture on if getting into MF is feasible. 

Awesome advice and thanks!

What Model did you use personally to scale up! ;) 

Post: Multiple Family has a high bar of entrance.

Joe S.
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@Joe Splitrock my wife asked me the same question many times. :)

Post: Multiple Family has a high bar of entrance.

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So I’m no novice. I have been investing in Single family homes for years. As being self employed most of my life I had to get creative some times and hustle. I’m currently getting a decent income from my SF portfolio that pays the bills and feeds my family. I have looked into getting into MF, before but felt that the financing requirements far exceeded my situations. (When I say MF I’m not talking about 2-4,units. When some people talk multiple family they mean 2-4.)

Not trying to be negative, but a lot of the folks that preach MF have NOT done it themselves and nobody calls them out on it. One guy was talking big game, but he only did one duplex.

I’m trying to find a workable model to scale up, but haven’t seen the light yet. 

I’m ears for a workable model from someone that has walked the walk. Plz advise;)

Post: Multi family vs. Multiple single-family units

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Originally posted by @Erik W.:

@Wendy Huang, hi and welcome to BP!

20% down payments can be created in many ways:

1) Seller financing

2) Hard Money

3) Joint partnerships

4) Syndication

5) Cross collateralization

The debate about the Pros and Cons of SFH vs. MF units is lengthy and you will learn many if not all of them searching older posts on this site. Liquidity is only one factor among dozens. To decide what works best for you, it comes down to one primary factor: what are your goals?

I think it is more than ones goals. Most people can not meet the financial requirements for a multi family, but they can on a Single family.

Post: What should I do about seller taking to long?

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@Greg H.my last closing the title company change an item the day of  ,but where a lender is involved I can see your point.

Post: What should I do about seller taking to long?

Joe S.
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Ask for a repair allowance that is more than the trouble of getting it fixed. It sounds like there are realtors involved so they should be able to sell the need for the seller to be workable. A title company can modify a HUD at will.

Post: Transitioning from Single Family to Multi Family

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@David White how do you plan on financing your purchase and money for the down payment etc?

I personally think that is the real hurdle that keeps most investors in  Single family homes. 

Post: Tenants put fences

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If they did a good job and they only want reimbursement for the material you got a good thing going. They may even stay multiple years because of it.