All Forum Posts by: Jon Schwartz
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Post: 30 Day Minimum Short Term Rental Analysis & Risks in Los Angeles

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Originally posted by @Kim Hopkins:
Hello!
I'm an experienced industrial real estate investor, but a completely inexperienced potential short term housing rental investor.
We recently moved from Los Angeles to Flagstaff, Arizona. We kept our home in Los Angeles and would like to still visit so are not yet ready to sell. We are contemplating turning it into a short term rental.
The rules in Los Angeles apparently say that we can only rent for a minimum of 30-day periods since it will not be our primary residence. I'm trying to assess three things:
- How do I get some data on rental rate and yearly occupancy % for Los Angeles with a 30-day minimum period so I can put together a pro-forma on if the numbers make sense? I can't find anything like this since most websites like Air DNA seem to focus on short term (no 30 day minimum) rentals.
- Does anyone know or have a guess to the laws pertaining to evictions with these kinds of stays? I would think that I can always evict a guest at the end of the rental term regardless of any moratorium but I want to be damn sure the current Covid LA eviction moratorium and any other crazy LA eviction laws don't apply to this short-but-long-term rental situation.
- Is there anything else I should consider, pros or cons, before doing this that I may not be thinking of?
We are in general very hesitant to do any business in California (all our properties are outside the state), but I thought this would be hopefully low risk and offset some of the mortgage and other costs on the house.
Thank you!
Kim
Kim, this is definitely legal. (Never take advice from Floridians.)
For rental comps, maybe check other short-term rental sites for rates? Check out www.furnishedfinder.com and google "corporate housing los angeles" and see what the competition is charging?
As for the eviction moratorium, it is across the board. There are no exceptions. I have a friend with a 100% valid Ellis Act eviction that's on hold until evictions are heard again. There are 0 evictions of any kind happening. So you will be at risk until the moratorium ends.
Best,
Jon
Post: Newbie Investor from Southern California

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Originally posted by @Tony Luong:
Hellloooo Biggerpockets!
My name is Tony and this post is a huge step for me. I don't have any social media accounts because I've always been a "lurker" more than anything, so posting here is my coming out!
I'm a 35 year old business owner living in the L.A area. I make decent money from my business but I'm lost in whether to invest out of state for cash flow or around my area for appreciation. So I took a dive and made an offer on a duplex in Los Angeles because I gotta do something! I can't stand this inaction. I hopefully can connect with some of you amazing folks and see where this adventure takes me! See you around!
Welcome, Tony!
Where's the duplex located?
How's the offer going?
Best,
Jon
Post: Giving written notice to tenant on month to month lease

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Originally posted by @Chris Chung:
Looking for any good recommendations on a lawyer specializing in landlord/tenant law, specifically on the landlord side. Currently have a tenant on a month to month lease and am wondering if we can give written 60 day notice without cause even with the current pandemic as well as the property being in a rent control area in Los Angeles.
Long story short, tenant has been a long time tenant with no previous issues but since the pandemic started, she has been continuously requesting unreasonable repairs, some of which we have actually agreed to and completed. It is still continuing and in our mind, the unit is habitable and nothing major is damaged. Just wanted to speak with someone on this further to get advice on what we have rights to do.
Chris,
I'm not a lawyer, but I am a landlord.
In Los Angeles, there's no such thing as a no-fault eviction.
A great resource for posting a question and getting some free legal advice is www.avvo.com.
Good luck!
Best,
Jon
Post: House Hacking in Long Beach

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Originally posted by @Anthony Robinson:
@Jon Schwartz, I had a random question if you could help me out, How do I practice analyzing properties that I would like to house hack?? How can I get a rough estimate of my numbers, especially with PMI?
Anthony,
Message me so I can share with you my house hack spreadsheet. It includes all the rough estimates.
For PMI, you can estimate 0.5% annually for every 5% under a 20% down payment. It looks like this:
20% down payment = 0% annually for PMI
15% down payment = 0.5% annually for PMI
10% down payment = 1% annually for PMI
5% down payment = 1.5% annually for PMI
That's are rough estimate; you'd need to talk to a lender to get more precise numbers.
Best,
Jon
Post: House Hacking in Long Beach

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Originally posted by @Kurtis Foster:
@Jon Schwartz Thanks for the excellent response. I see your posts on these forums a lot and always find them to be very informative. I like your logical/data driven approach.
Based on your maps it looks like the South Wrigley area should be on my radar as well (just north of the 1 as you mentioned), in addition to East Village (basically downtown) and Carroll Park/Rose Park South. Although I suspect the Carroll Park/Rose Park South area is a bit pricier as it's getting pretty far East.
How do you create those maps from the Census data? It looks like the territory borders are even more granular than zip code?
Do you find that looking at the income growth over the past 5 years is a good predictor of future trends? I wonder if there has been significant growth over the last 5 years that the growth might start to diminish in those areas, and more growth might start to happen in some other areas that have smaller arrows on that chart?
Kurtis,
Thanks for the kind words!
I use Excel to organize the data and a software called Tableau to put the data on a map.
Each region is a census tract, which is the smallest geographical unit that the Census keeps track off. It's waaaay more granular that zip codes!
You're right that past results are not an indicator of future performance. I think it's a combination of growth and surroundings. Areas don't improve spontaneously; they improve when wealth comes in from a neighboring community. So you need growth plus a wealthy neighbor. If any area borders a greener area, has seen a lot of growth in the last five years, and is still several shades redder than its neighbor, I think that's an indicator of continued growth looking forward.
Best,
Jon
Post: Appraisal and assessment vs actual price

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Originally posted by @Victor Rallo:
Looking at a fourplex in Sacramento it’s fresh on the market at 800k. Last sold was for 128 and last assessment in 2019 was for 290k.
Why is the assessment and the actual price such a huge difference.
When purchasing multi family is there a different assessment I should look for/appraisal
Prop 13 limits property tax increases to 2% per year. That means the assessment is limited in growth to 2% per year.
Ignore the tax assessment. It has no relationship to the actual value of the property.
I bought a duplex in LA for $1.85M. The neighboring duplex, which was purchased in the 1940's, has a tax assessment of $150K.
Good luck!
Jon
Post: House Hacking in Long Beach

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Originally posted by @Kurtis Foster:
Hi Everyone,
Pretty new to to RE investing and brand new to Bigger Pockets. Been reading a lot on here and Reddit and I'm trying to dial in my strategy for my next property. I've been looking into various areas and property types around LA and I'm starting to focusing in on duplex's in Downtown Long Beach. I'm curious if anyone else has their eye on Long Beach, as it seems like there is appreciation p
otential and not terrible rent to purchase price ratio (at least by LA standards).
My overall plan:
Just did a cash-out refi on a SFR in San Pedro that I bought a year and a half ago. Refinanced from 3.875% to 2.875%, kept 20% equity in and pulled out 40k. Was able to keep the same monthly payment with the decrease in interest rate and pulling out the 40k appreciation. I'd like to use the cash and possibly additional savings to buy a duplex in Downtown Long Beach likely in the 700k range - live in one unit, rent the other unit out. Seems like it will be a little bit cash flow negative, but that's the price you pay for SoCal real estate and potential appreciation I guess.
Anyone have their eye on Long Beach for house hacking? Downtown LB seems like a pretty good value to me. Significant improvement in recent years and relatively affordable for the quality of life I think.
Any tips for a newbie? Does it seem like I'm on the right track here?
Thanks!
Kurtis
Kurtis,
I'm a house hacker up near Hollywood and an investor throughout LA. In fact, my most recent investment was in a new-construction development catty-corner to Poly High in LB.
You're definitely on the right track! House hacks in the LA area don't cashflow while you live in them. I only know of one house hacker who's cashflow positive, and that's because he added an ADU to a triplex.
But with renting and owning traditionally so expensive in our market, just reducing your living expenses by hundreds or a thousand dollars a month is fantastic. I live in a large duplex (our unit is a 3/3, the rented unit is a 3/2) in an expensive area; my tenants pay $4975 to rent the smaller unit, and I pay less than that for my share of the monthly costs (mortgage, taxes, insurance, expenses). Plus, I have $2100 coming back to me every month in the form of principal paydown. So I'm not cashflowing, but I'm living in a neighborhood I love for a fraction of what all my neighbors pay (and the difference is going toward buying more real estate!).
Also, Long Beach is a great market. Tons of development downtown, and LB is one of the more landlord-friendly cities in our area. The rent control laws are much more lax in LB than they are just across the harbor in San Pedro, which is part of LA City.
And you're right about finding the right mix of price and quality -- though I'd say it's more about the right mix of price and personal comfort. Some of the rougher areas of Long Beach are actually the most quickly appreciating. Here's a map I created from Census data showing median incomes and median income growth over the last five years:

The colors represent current median income, and the size of the arrows represents growth over the preceding five years.
As you can see, some of the lower-income areas just north and south of the 1 also have the largest arrows. These are poor areas, but they're getting less poor faster than the wealthy areas are getting wealthier. These are good spots to buy -- and good spots to house hack if you feel comfortable doing so.
Here's one more map that supports the map above:

This map shows household formation over the last five years. A "household" is a group of people living together; it could be a family or two roommates or a single person. As landlords, we rent to households. So we want to buy where more households are forming.
As you can see, as many people are moving into the area just north of the 1 as are moving into downtown and coastal LB.
Last thing: the underwriting for a house hack can be tough with BP's calculators because there's no checkbox for "I'm going to live here for a few years." I made a spreadsheet when I house hacked last year to figure out the numbers, and I'm happy to share it.
All the best,
Jon
Post: Seeking advice w owner-occupied rei (West LA/East Ventura CTY)

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Originally posted by @Souheil Nadri:
Dear SOCAL Bigger Pocket Community,
My wife and I are trying to do an owner-occupied real estate deal. This will be our first house/investment. Areas of interest (approx 40 mins commute to Malibu) = eastern part of Ventura CTY: TO, Camarillo, Simi Valley + West/North West LA: San Fernando Valley, Burbank, Culver City, etc. We are open to SFH w ADU (or ADU potential) or multifamily. Because we will live there, we want to be in a relatively safe area. We are also open to value added projects if ok to move in. The main goal is to put down 5-10% and have mortgage - rent = < $3000. After 5-7 years, either sell or keep as long term rental.
Looking for help in any form (previous experience, agent recommendations, etc). Some questions: How does zoning work (SF, MF) and how it affects the loan, tenant pool, resale value? Which areas/neighborhoods should we look into (SFH+ADU or MFH) and what are the pros and cons of each strategy? What are different financing options including ADU construction?
Looking forward to networking/getting your input.
Thanks!
Souheil,
You're looking at this problem the right way, which is to set a monthly cost as the target.
I house hacked a large duplex just south of Hollywood last year with my wife and daughter. We bought a $1.85M property in a beautiful neighborhood and ended up with a monthly cost is $4000, which is actually (mortgage + taxes + insurance + expenses) - rent. Of that $4K, about $2100 comes back to us in the form of principal paydown.
We achieved our (relatively) low monthly cost by making a full down payment (so no PMI) and doing a renovation. While I was shopping for this property, I made a spreadsheet that factors in down payment, PMI, renovation costs, expenses, income, etc., and calculates the monthly cost. The spreadsheet also takes rent and expense assumptions and models out how the property will cashflow when you move out. I'm happy to share the spreadsheet with you.
Speaking broadly, the lower the down payment, the more difficult it will be to keep your monthly expense under $3000. For that reason, I don't know if an SFR plus ADU is the best option; you won't collect enough rent from the ADU to properly offset your mortgage (unless you occupy the ADU and rent the main house). A duplex with large units (like 3/2 or larger) on each side would generate more rent and keep your monthly cost down.
Having a 5-7-year occupancy timeline is great because, even with 5-10% down, you can find a property that will cashflow when you move out.
To answer some of your specific questions:
Zoning throughout much of LA is rather mixed between single-family (R1) and multifamily (R2 and up). For example, I live on a half-block of duplexes; the bottom half of the block is single-family homes, and the surrounding blocks are single-family homes. For house hacking, it's great to target R2 or R3 zones that are surrounded by R1 zones.
Zoning has zero impact on loans. Since you'll be an owner-occupant, you'll be shopping for the same loan product for anything from a single-family house to a fourplex. The only difference will be the rate; multifamily properties tend to carry a slightly higher rate. If you're targeting a conventional loan, multifamily properties also have higher borrowing limits (from $980K for a duplex to $1.4M for a fourplex).
In terms of tenant pool, I always say this: if you want to live there, people like you will want to live there. If you're really drawn to quiet, family areas (zoned R1) and find a great home behind which to build an ADU, then you'll find a tenant who's also drawn to quiet, family areas. If you want to live closer to the commercial strip and find a perfect duplex there, you'll have success with the tenant pool that also wants to live nearer to the commercial strip.
In terms of SFR vs MF pro's and con's, a single-family home will have a larger resale market when you want to sell; more people are shopping for houses than duplexes. However, I chose a multifamily for my house hack because I don't intend to sell. My duplex will cashflow when I move out, and I'll be keeping it in my portfolio. Plus, the economics of multifamilies work better for buy-and-hold in LA.
ADU financing: here's the one program I'm aware of:
https://www.thenorrisgroup.com...
Your questions are great and difficult to answer in a single post. If you'd like to discuss more, let's talk!
Best,
Jon
Post: $2.35 Million Triplex in Los Angeles

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Originally posted by @Hassan E.:
Thanks for all the input! As of now, the deal is on, we'll keep y'all posted. Rents are with a signed lease. Anyone gotten a better rate on a Jumbo loan? The property is just off of Venice, a couple streets east of Fairfax.
Congrats, Hassan!
Post: FIRE/passive income via out-of-state landlording?

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Originally posted by @Hannah Taylor:
@Jon Schwartz Good to hear about someone else who's successfully house hacking!
Thanks for that advice. I keep getting tempted by well-priced condos here in GA--and, I reason, once we move west, we'll have TWO rentals: a condo and our current home--but it probably is much better for us to keep saving as much as we can while we're here.
We're hopefully headed to LA! My husband's a video editor/colorist/DP/swiss army knife, so he's hoping to break into the film industry. At this point, we're just monitoring COVID and waiting for things in LA to open up more (and for things everywhere to feel more safe).
Hannah,
I'm a feature editor in my day job!
LA production is still seriously impacted. Smaller productions -- like commercials and returning TV shows -- are shooting, but nothing bigger than that. That's going to change before the end of the year, and we're all hoping for a swift and steady uptick in 2021.
Best,
Jon