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All Forum Posts by: Jon Kelly

Jon Kelly has started 24 posts and replied 904 times.

Post: Torn on Whether to pay off home or jump into real estate

Jon Kelly
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  • Bethlehem, PA
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@Casey Lodes classic question that usually comes down to personal preference. Would you sleep better at night (1) knowing you paid off your house OR (2) knowing you're making 12% returns on money you're borrowing at 2.75%? 

2.75% is EXTREMELY low. It would be silly to pay this off. Use the money to jump into real estate. Seems like you're in the perfect position financially to get started. 

Post: Primary or Investment property first?

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@Sarah Enero either strategy is better than doing nothing. So, whichever you choose will be a good option. 

How can you binge BP podcasts, read forums, read 3 books and then decide to buy a primary residence??? It sounds like REI excites you but you're looking for an opportunity to NOT get started. My vote, for whatever it's worth - but since you asked, is investment property first.

Post: Rehab While a unit is occupied?

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@Tony R Fox take care of any safety related concerns. You can put most other things on hold. The current tenant may not want renovations because they don't want to pay higher rent. 

Post: How much stock do you put into price per door?? Midwest

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@Stephen Jones I agree with others. It’s a great sanity check but there are so many other factors.

You already mentioned the property is newer, nicer, better area, etc. than your $50-60/unit properties, so you should expect to pay a premium per unit

Post: Using leverage on my next property or saving for the down payment

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@Tyler Warner the only thing that matters is if you find a good deal. Define what good means to you (e.g. monthly cash flow, COC return, etc.). If you find a good deal don't you think you should use whatever means necessary to buy this deal?

Imagine finding this amazing deal that can help change the course of your life, your wife’s life, your future kids lives and you don’t buy it because you think you need to wait 2 years to save 20-25% for a down payment. Sounds kinda crazy

Post: First BRRR and the interest rate concerns

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@Brandon Montgomery you should be more concerned in your underwriting if .25% or .5% higher interest rates will kill your deals

Post: First step - Finding a great deal or building cash buyers list?

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@Sarah Castor put most of your energy on finding a deal or deals.

Simultaneously you should be networking with investors in your market. Why don’t you create a post on Biggerpockets seeking investors in your market. Ask investors what makes a good deal (location, price, amount of rehab, etc.). This can help you fine-tune your search for a deal

Post: Getting Started-Where's all the actual help?

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Quote from @Anthony Parsons:
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Anthony Parsons:

I'm in a position to sell or rent my current home prior to moving out of state for work where I may rent for a couple of years or buy depending on what the market is like at the time.   


 For most everyone that's lived in their primary for at least 2 years, it makes the most sense to sell tax-free.  Absentee landlording can really suck. 

In addition, most primaries are too nice to be good rentals and we don't know if you've ever landlorded before.  Steep learning curve.  

So- have you owned and occupied your primary for more than 2 years? 

What was your purchase price? Estimated sale price?  

Have you ever been a landlord before?

 These are the important answers to me when deciding to sell or rent out a primary.




I'm trying to determine if I should rent out my current Townhome or sell it. What I'd prefer to do is rent it out for long-term purposes as I am 43 and this will pay my future home off when I retire.

I purchased the townhome for 340k and owe 330k after a refi last year. Currently, it is worth 430k+ If I sell I can make about 50-70k after fees. 2 years in the primary home this May 27 and it is in a new area that is developing quickly. I have been a landlord before but years ago and briefly. I don't have any debt besides my car and have good credit (low-mid 700's) but limited savings after recently paying off a card. I am a GS-15 in the gov. and make a good salary (163k) plus 600 monthly from the VA. My current mortgage is $1900 at 2.25%, after speaking to an agent, I believe I can rent it for $2400-2500. I am in a good financial position but in order to pay my home off once I purchase it, I don't want to have to pay an extra 1000k to principal to get it paid off before retirement, which is why I want to rent my current home. In 3 years I will have over $2500 additional monthly due to child support ending and would take a HELOC as a safety net if needed.

Looking to move to Orlando to be closer to friends and family eventually purchasing a new home around 500-600k. I have many questions regarding waiting to purchase a new home in 3 years once inventory increases. Should I rent an apartment or house since rental prices are going up? I'm curious as to which kind of HELOC I need that would allow a refi down the road on my rental should I need it since it is a VA loan-I'm uncertain as to my COE right now.

My big concern is retiring with a home at 57-62 with a paid-for home and believe renting my current place will fill that demand and then some. However, with rental property and a HELOC how hard will purchasing be in 3 years? How are future DTI's calculated with HELOCs; will my VA loan be usable in 3 years or will I have to convert my current loan at 2.25% to conventional?

Sure, I can sell and hold the money, or just jump in the market which I'm not particularly a fan of (especially since I’ll $2500 back in 3 years from support), but is renting out my place worth it with the amount of equity I have if I sell it? I have many other questions. Should I sell/rent now or wait to watch the rate hikes and how they impact the market? ETC. I can go on.

Thanks again.

It would be good if you did an analysis on your primary as a rental. Put this into the BP calculators (or any calculator) and see what the monthly cashflow / return looks like. On the surface I like the idea of renting out your primary. (1) Your debt is so cheap. 2.25% is a great rate. (2) $50k after fees isn't that much for a $430k property. (3) Hold until it appreciates to $475-500k+ 

Rent/buy in Orlando is completely a personal choice. If you can find a good deal now then buy. Otherwise, renting is a great option. You can get a better sense of the area(s) and you don't need to come up with $100-150k down. 

Post: Getting Started-Where's all the actual help?

Jon Kelly
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  • Bethlehem, PA
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Quote from @Anthony Parsons:
Quote from @Jon Kelly:

@Anthony Parsons If it was easy EVERYBODY would do it. So you've tried a couple times and haven't found the right connection... big deal. Keep trying. 

Your post surprises me. I've found most people in real estate are willing and eager to help others. 

I'd encourage you to continue making connections with investors, agents, etc. Be specific with your ask. Come to the conversation with what you think you should do and see if they agree/disagree. You're asking for feedback so be open to constructive criticism. 

Thanks, Jon.  

I'll keep trying-hence this thread.  I have found it rather difficult in general though as the individuals I've reached out to (the past month consistently) don't want to help you one-on-one unless it benefits them.  Agents want a sale and everyone only seems interested in how you can help their bottom line.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely grateful for forums such as this that provide feedback and are certainly open to criticism of all kinds-I've learned a lot.  But as a new person trying to get into investment or at least looking for a discussion, it's apparent to me, that it's not nearly as easy for a newcomer than perhaps someone as yourself who is more established.

Again, thank you for your feedback. 


I was in your position 5 years ago. Everyone has to start somewhere. A lot of times you don't even know what to ask, which is half of the battle. That's why I suggested having a plan of what you think you should do. Then, you can have someone vet it and provide feedback. 

Post: Getting Started-Where's all the actual help?

Jon Kelly
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  • Investor
  • Bethlehem, PA
  • Posts 927
  • Votes 950

@Anthony Parsons If it was easy EVERYBODY would do it. So you've tried a couple times and haven't found the right connection... big deal. Keep trying. 

Your post surprises me. I've found most people in real estate are willing and eager to help others. 

I'd encourage you to continue making connections with investors, agents, etc. Be specific with your ask. Come to the conversation with what you think you should do and see if they agree/disagree. You're asking for feedback so be open to constructive criticism.