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All Forum Posts by: Josh Green

Josh Green has started 21 posts and replied 354 times.

Post: Best market to house hack in?

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Quote from @Kegan Scholl:

-22 years old

-$50,000 pre tax income from business this year

-80k in savings

-30k in investments

-pre approved for $350,000 (had to use parents as co-signers because I started business 2 years ago and didn’t make much first year)

Looking to get into first house by house hacking a 4 bed 2 bath renting out 3 rooms. Preferably stay for one year and find another house. Ideally want to break even or cash flow with the 3 tenants.

Now question is this: I was wanting to buy in Tampa, FL. I’m told taxes and insurance is lot and will rise each year and cash flow is hard to come by. So is there better markets to buy in (in big cities)? Or can I find something in Tampa? I’ve been interested in TX, AZ, UT, NC or anywhere in FL.

Also any advice for me is appreciated (save up more, focus on business instead, etc)

Any more info you need comment below! Thanks for advice.


 I started with two house-hacks in Utah actually then moved here to the Tampa Bay market and continued house-hacking.  I've helped dozens of people house-hack here.  All those states' metros are going to have a relatively tough time "cash flowing" with minimum down and standard LTR.  Without adding creativity like: room by room renting/padsplit, value add/larger cash down, mid-term or short term renting, etc it's just how things are.  

I love house-hacking for Tampa Bay for a few main reasons: 1) great long-term outlook on appreciation; fundamentally strong market and growth projections, 2) diverse opportunities of house-hacks from luxury house hacks, cheap house hacks, room by room, STR, MTR, etc. You can really pick where you want to be on the "comfortability to profitability" scale here where I felt like those options in most markets were limited. 3) it's a great place to live all-around. The lifestyle, weather, etc are perfect for me and I'm so grateful to be living here!

As for insurance and all that, most of what you're hearing is media noise and really not accurate/blown out of proportion.  The state has always had many hurricanes and while insurance here is higher than the national average, our housing price to amenities ratio is one of the highest around.  The myth that you "can't get insurance" is absolutely wild.  I've never had a client not be able to get a great competitive premium on a property here and we've bought all kinds of property.  Property tax isn't cheap but it's not like TX high and Illinois and NJ etc.  Utah has some of the cheapest tax and insurance rates, but their rent to price ratio is horrible and rents don't keep up with housing increases like they do here.  We also don't have state-income tax, so the more you make the better the benefit of living here is.  

Kudos you've saved and put yourself in a good position to start out on the right foot by house-hacking.  5 years ago my wife and I bought our first and now we have 9 units and have really scaled our passive income stream through those rentals.  STRs specifically have supercharged our passive income goals and cut down our initial goal of a 10 yr run to get where we want to be in half.  I personally house-hack still with a guest house on my property that I short-term rent and I highly recommend it.  You can even "pay yourself" the cleaning fee if you want to and do the turnovers yourself.  Not a bad side hustle - spending a few hours mostly doing some laundry and cleaning up and paying yourself a few hundred a month to do it!  We don't do that anymore of course but it's something I did early on when it was worth the time!

Post: Cash Out Refi Option

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Quote from @Ryan Dori:

Hi everyone! My company builds and sells single family homes in SW Florida. We have a couple of houses that we would like to hold on to for now and possibly sell in a couple of years. We currently have a construction loan on the properties and we would like to refi to a more conventional loan. I was wondering if anyone has a suggestion as to how to go about it. DSCR won't work for us because given the rent roll we would only be able to be at 65% LTV, and we are looking to be at 70%-75%. Any ideas? I was looking into bank stamens loans as well but I'm not sure if that would be the best option for us currently. Thanks in advance, your help is appreciated.

You really should get some quotes from @Raymond J. Rodrigues

He is so consistently pricing my clients above and beyond their lenders and I couldn't recommend him enough!

Post: rental arbitrage in Tampa/ St Petersburg

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Quote from @Raymond J. Rodrigues:

@Viji Venkatachalam what's the address of your home? Any insight @Josh Green

I don’t think arbitrage is worth it - it’s kind of like the baby step into STRs that hook people into taking all the risk and doing all the work and missing out on 2 of the 3 reasons to invest in real estate: tax benefits and appreciation.

much much better to buy and own your own STRs.  Or, from a business perspective, much better to use that time and energy to create a STR management business instead of arbitraging. 

Post: Buying my first property (NEED ADVICE)

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Quote from @Lorenzo L.:

Hello all,

I am trying to do my first deal/buy my first MF property but I haven't been able to move the needle.

I am focusing on Small MF (2-4 units), with a value-add strategy. I have been cold calling direct-to-seller and working with brokers to find deals.

I don't understand how properties, in East Boston, for example, are trading at around 5.3 cap when rates are around 6.5%. I was cold calling an off market property and the guy laughed at me because I asked if he would take somewhere around an 8 cap (obviously i didnt say this, I gave him a ballpark number) and he shared with me that these properties are trading at 5.3 cap. I just dont understand how people are buying at such low caps ? Aren't they losing money? Can someone please explain how transactions are being made? (other than the seller financing stuff because I've asked and nobody seems to be interested)

You’re looking at the wrong stuff!  MFRs in most metros in today’s prices and rates are going to be 5-7.5% cap rates all day long.  You want much better returns in real estate you get more creative!  I have several clients in Boston that started there and came to me when they were having their same issue you’re describing.  Tampa Bay STRs are where it’s at - we’ve closed on 40+ in the last 2 years (so todays prices and rates) and are getting 12-30% CoC with cap rates over 10%

Post: STR evaluation in Kissimmee(Reunion)

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Quote from @Himateja Madala:

Hey folks,

I am brand new to STR's and am here looking for suggestions around STR in Kissimmee area. I have an opportunity to purchase a 2019 built 6 bed/6 bath 3300 sqft (Pool/spa, media room, full size garage) fully furnished STR in Encore Reunion community @ 180 per sqft costs me 600k. Property is in great condition since it is newly built but not themed currently but i am hoping to theme it and write off as expenses. Property was on market for about 170 days

I originally started the STR plan for tax benefits and plan to do cost segregation as i fall into high income bracket (37%+ 11% state) saving around 50k for 600k property.I have no plan to personally use the property and this is purely investment

I thought i found a great deal because properties in the area are selling for 205-220 per sqft. But then i ran numbers and realized that at current rates i have to pay 4300 (3300 Mortgage, 1000 Prop taxes ,900 HOA) . Income for 2024 is 66k gross as i believe the owner didnt put effort to gather high ratings or make it perform.I was hoping to write off the negative cash flow against my w2 income. I am out of state and have to use a property manager which is another expense.

Also hoping that since 2023,2024 travel has softened the cycle will reverse in 2025. Hoping Orlando travel will pick up next year with new parks opening(EPIC universe).

AirDNA data shows that few properties have done 80k-90k in the area with theming.

It all sounded convincing untill i see loopholes in my own plan.  I dont know for sure when rates will come down so i can refi. 

Also purchased because realtors told me that 180 per sft is really low for the area and that its a great deal. 

Any seasoned investors pls share your thoughts. Are the tax savings worth all the hassle of STR. Should i buy a property that negatively cash flows?

Is kissimmee still a good area for STR or saturated. Long term is it a good investment.


Thanks

Himateja

P.S: I believe the seller is going lower because the property has a relatively smaller pool/backyard . However the property has a freeway behind it and hence no rear neighbors /more privacy.

You’re going to see low or negative returns with minimum down payments in that area unless you’re going BIG as in much larger homes and much heftier budgets for design/amenities.

There’s great cashflow on the Clearwater/Largo/Seminole/StPete side - you’re looking at 2 high cashflow buckets that I call Tier 1 and Tier 2. 

Tier 1 are larger homes and we try and keep the purchase price under $1.2M. These have a much higher CoC ranging from 18-30% depending on how involved you are, the property specific and its execution from a design/amenity standpoint to management. These require a minimum of $300-$335k cash to cover the downpayment, closing costs, and having a healthy budget for professional design/amenities.

Tier 2 range in price but most fall between $530k-$650k.  Minimum cash required is $185k (for the full DIYer) but most that want a more hands off approach should have at least $220k (downpayment, closing costs, professional design and amenities).  The CoC ranges from 12-16% on these depending on your involvement and execution.

Any other bucket is likely requiring more down / more cash to make numbers good. Or you’re not budgeting for a great product and will be obsceleted in the near future.

My team provides all the above without hefty consultation fees like many STR experts/gurus do. We have in-house professional design/furnishing/contracting, in-house management at 15% for clients only, and you work directly with me on the purchase. With that said, we really know what works and what doesn't, we have a strict process as it's proven and are selective with who we take on as clients. Most my clients tend to be out of state, high income individuals that are looking for a great return and not looking to spend 200 hrs on the project themselves. They want the tax benefits, the cash flow and hassle-free returns knowing they're getting great appreciation long-term on top of all the current benefits. ✌️


If this sounds like a good fit for you, don’t hesitate to reach out 👍


Post: Greetings from St. Petersburg, FL

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Quote from @Samuel Garnatz:

Hope that everyone had a great Thanksgiving holiday and wanted to make a quick introduction! My wife and I are in the process of looking for our first investment property and look forward to networking with the BP community. To get things started was curious from those that have already taken the leap as to what type of secondary analysis you all are doing when you find a potential property? We are frequent users of the Rental Property Calculator and have found a few promising leads thus far but also know that is just the beginning of the process. Thanks in advance for any insight you all might be able to provide!

What kind of investment property are you thinking of going for?  I would be happy to connect and take a pulse check of your calculator.  There's a big swing here in insurance and tax calculations I see and getting those numbers accurate are critical for your ability to not miss on good deals

Post: BRRR long term buy and old for STR or long term rentals

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Quote from @Colin Ford:

Happy Saturday BiggerPockets nation, 

My fiancé and I have been vacationing in ST. Petersburg now for a few years. We absolutely love it and are very interested in buying a multifamily investment property in the area specifically a duplex. MY goal is to do the BRRR strategy to finance and buy the property. Unfortunately we live out of state in RI. We are reaching out to this amazing platform for some help and direction to get things rolling. We are very new to this world so we need great guidance. Currently are closing on our first duplex In RI with the VA loan.

Biggest thing is cash position.  A successful STR needs a good bit of cash upfront and if you’re doing a BRRRR then even more now for rehab.  100% financing everything and the rehab is not advisable unless you’re a very skilled and hands on STR investor.  Though, if you have the cash to do it, it is very lucrative. I have a few BRRRSTRs going on and the returns are immense!  It’s super important you prioritize the end product: something that gets the job done well as an STR.  There is unlikely ever going to be a “home run” value add + “home run back end STR”. It is much better to hit a single or double with the rehab and a triple or home run on the STR.

im Josh and I buy more STRs in the Tampa/StPete/Clearwater/Largo/Seminole area than any other agent the past 2 years.  We have the full gambit from 1) finding and buying the right property in the right locations to 2) professional execution of the design to 3) discounted property management services.  All 3 parts are critical to being successful here and we’ve been doing it with todays prices, todays competition and todays interest rates.  We’re really best suited for those high income earners out there with strong investment experience and cash positions to literally take the reigns and create a strong cash flow product and tax write off for them with minimal time spent on their part. The DIYers are welcome, but these kind of deals take a solid 150-200 hrs for the average first timer from start to finish and a minimum cash position of $175k (if you DIY the design/furnishing; more if you want to be hands off).  If you’re looking for that expert comprehensive service here don’t hesitate to reach out and we’ll see if it’d be a good fit! 👍 

Post: New and Looking to Get Into STR

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Quote from @Joshua Herrera:
Quote from @Josh Green:
Quote from @Joshua Herrera:

Good afternoon Bigger Pockets Community!

My name is Josh, and I have decided STR may be my next step in life. Currently deciding to do it as a side hustle until it proves to be a worthy 9-5. Any guidance is much appreciated.

Thank you and God Bless!

STRs are a great way to fast track that passive income! I’ve personally just closed on my 4th in 3 years and even just the two I bought last year have netted me a starting engineer salary 👀!  There’s a lot of opportunity locally, but one of the 3 keys to success in STR investing is having enough cash to do them properly.  It’s a higher barrier of entry investment with much higher returns (and tax incentives).  Where I buy, which I think has some of the best price to income ratios out there I recommend a minimum of $185k cash on hand (for the DIYer) and $220k-$235k cash on hand for someone looking for a hands off approach. This is the entry point I’d recommend with high CoC returns and includes your downpayment (20-25% down), closing costs and the furnishing/design budget.  The next tier with even higher returns I recommend a $320k+ cash budget.  Be wary of “cheap” STRs and 10% down “managed for you” deals especially in Orlando.  Those deal do not cash flow well. 

I highly recommend listening to the podcast interview with the VP of Airdna either on BiggerPockets the past couple months or maybe it was STR secrets podcast. They go over a lot of the fundamentals that I completely agree on as a high skill operator in this space.  Ultimately, STRs are like running a business and to be successful you want to distance yourself from the competition.  You don’t want small condos that are easily carbon-copy for example as you have no way to stand out from competition and it becomes a race to the bottom. You’re also in competition with hotels at that point.  So for example, in the Orlando market, a 4bd house is pretty low as a standard but over here in the Tampa Bay Area a 4bd house is quite high on the STR ladder.  This is because there’s a lot of 2,3,4,5 bed homes in Orlando and very few 4,5 bed homes here.  

Anyway, I could talk about this for hours but those are just a couple pointers.  If you’re in that cash position I mentioned above, then we might be a good fit to get on a call so I can show our process which is complete: 1) finding and buying the right property 2) creating a top product from that purchase with a world-class designer on my team 3) co-hosting/managing that property at a discount for clients to ensure you get more money and have a product that lasts.

you can also follow me on IG @tampa.rei , I’m actually about to post a walkthrough of a property that was being managed by one of the most popular PMs in the country and in just 1 yr you’ll laugh to see what state the property is in from poor management! 💀

 Thank you for the information Josh. I am definitely looking in the Sarasota and Clearwater area so not dead set Tampa but somewhat in the Florida West Coast area. If I decide to go west I will definitely get in touch. Thank you again for the notes and tips!


 Yes, I primarily recommend Pinellas county and that's where I operate (Clearwater/St Pete/Seminole/Etc).  Sarasota STRs are OK but there's a few reasons I'd recommend going with Pinellas county over Sarasota other than the raw numbers being better.

Post: New and Looking to Get Into STR

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Quote from @Joshua Herrera:

Good afternoon Bigger Pockets Community!

My name is Josh, and I have decided STR may be my next step in life. Currently deciding to do it as a side hustle until it proves to be a worthy 9-5. Any guidance is much appreciated.

Thank you and God Bless!

STRs are a great way to fast track that passive income! I’ve personally just closed on my 4th in 3 years and even just the two I bought last year have netted me a starting engineer salary 👀!  There’s a lot of opportunity locally, but one of the 3 keys to success in STR investing is having enough cash to do them properly.  It’s a higher barrier of entry investment with much higher returns (and tax incentives).  Where I buy, which I think has some of the best price to income ratios out there I recommend a minimum of $185k cash on hand (for the DIYer) and $220k-$235k cash on hand for someone looking for a hands off approach. This is the entry point I’d recommend with high CoC returns and includes your downpayment (20-25% down), closing costs and the furnishing/design budget.  The next tier with even higher returns I recommend a $320k+ cash budget.  Be wary of “cheap” STRs and 10% down “managed for you” deals especially in Orlando.  Those deal do not cash flow well. 

I highly recommend listening to the podcast interview with the VP of Airdna either on BiggerPockets the past couple months or maybe it was STR secrets podcast. They go over a lot of the fundamentals that I completely agree on as a high skill operator in this space.  Ultimately, STRs are like running a business and to be successful you want to distance yourself from the competition.  You don’t want small condos that are easily carbon-copy for example as you have no way to stand out from competition and it becomes a race to the bottom. You’re also in competition with hotels at that point.  So for example, in the Orlando market, a 4bd house is pretty low as a standard but over here in the Tampa Bay Area a 4bd house is quite high on the STR ladder.  This is because there’s a lot of 2,3,4,5 bed homes in Orlando and very few 4,5 bed homes here.  

Anyway, I could talk about this for hours but those are just a couple pointers.  If you’re in that cash position I mentioned above, then we might be a good fit to get on a call so I can show our process which is complete: 1) finding and buying the right property 2) creating a top product from that purchase with a world-class designer on my team 3) co-hosting/managing that property at a discount for clients to ensure you get more money and have a product that lasts.

you can also follow me on IG @tampa.rei , I’m actually about to post a walkthrough of a property that was being managed by one of the most popular PMs in the country and in just 1 yr you’ll laugh to see what state the property is in from poor management! 💀

Post: Police Escort Landlord when Tenant Refused to Allow Inspection

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Quote from @James Wise:

Bad tenants think they make the rules when it comes to their apartment. This is never the case. Landlords are always in charge of what happens at their property. Landlords have the right to inspect their properties whether a tenant is living there or not. If a tenant does not allow a landlord inside of his property, the landlord has the right to call the Cops and do a Police escorted inspection. Tune in to HoltonWiseTV for more landlord tenant interactions.

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