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All Forum Posts by: Joshua A Kloos

Joshua A Kloos has started 3 posts and replied 44 times.

Post: NOT going to college, what should I do?

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@Josiah Patrick Zebarth

Update to my last post! I thought of something in the mean time. 

If I could go back and do it again, I would major in corporate finance or general business finance - even accounting wouldn't have been a bad idea (though I am not great at numbers with accounting). 

Especially if you want to make a career out of investing, the financial education from a finance degree would be exceptionally helpful. 

At the end of the day, people who say college was a waste of time fail to comment on the fact they went to college...in my first post I said I would skip college, but the reality is that I needed the accountability and to develop the discipline of finishing the degree. Advising you do something that I didn't doesn't really work...I can't advise on how to make a living without a degree because I have one - make sense? 

I like to look at it from the perspective of giving yourself the path of least resistance. If you go to college, it will be easier to get a decent paying job that allows you to save up some money after you graduate. If you don't there are some other great options. The benefit for you however is time. You have A LOT of time. 

I would recommend going to college and majoring in some sort of business finance, getting a sales job when you have breaks and spend a lot of time networking. When I was a sophomore in college, I made 30K one summer painting houses - the excuse of debt is not always a great excuse. If you apply for grants, work full-time whenever possible and put your extra money towards school debt (and not blow it in Vegas like I did) then you will probably graduate debt free. And, at that point, you will only be 22 years old...Thats not a bad set up if you ask me. 

Hell, buy a house near campus and make money renting out the rooms. Live for free and make extra income and begin building your portfolio. Also, you can tell all the ladies you OWN the house and all of these other dudes rent from you. 

Considering your age and the fact there is no "downside" from going to college if you approach it with a plan and work hard, I would recommend going. 

Also, think big. 40K in debt isn't much at all. I've met people that make 40K/week. If you're thinking big, the "debt" isn't really that expensive! 

Hope this helps man! 

@Dan Falcon

I'd sell that thing for the equity. $220/month cashflow is a bit low. Especially for a single family home. If one of the toilets leak and the refrigerator goes out, there is your whole year worth of cash flow sucked up. 

Great job on the deal though! If you like it my opinion doesn't mean much! 

Best

Post: NOT going to college, what should I do?

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@Josiah Patrick Zebarth

Hey man! I went through the same questions myself when I was your age. I just finished my degree this past March (took me seven years) and have worked full time in construction based roles since I was 18.

So, here is the deal in my opinion: 

College Pros: 

- Opportunity to network and build a solid bunch of connections with smart people

- Opportunity to defer real life bills and save money if you work full-time

- College loans do not effect your ability to buy a real estate as only 1% of the debt is considered for your monthly debt to income ratio. 

- Opportunity to learn about multiple subjects and decide if real estate is really the path you want to take

College Cons: 

- Depending on your major, the job prospects honestly don't pay that well. With my marketing degree, I would take a 50% pay cut if I went and got a job at a marketing firm. I make almost twice as much selling roofs door to door as the "stable job" my degree affords me

- If know exactly what you want to do, you can go get a job in the blue collar fields that pay six figures - electrician, plumber, steal worker and even general contractors pay over $25/hr and non of those jobs require a degree or they provide all of the education in house/paid for. 

- Surrounded by people who want to party and there is the potential to waste your time on these endeavors, but, it can be a lot of fun! 

At the end of the day, if I could do it again, I would skip college and go immediately to one of the trades. I would save all of my money, live at home for a year or two, and immediately invest all of my extra income in multi-family housing. Because of my lack of debt and overhead, I would be able to start at a much higher level. 

The down side is age. Obviously people do it, but in the real estate industry, if you are renting out you have to be able to deal with people (renters) trying to take advantage of you and you need to have the balls to stand up for yourself and evict adults. For me, that would have been hard at 18-20 years old. If you have a good mentor, this shouldn't be a an issue though. 

The military isn't a bad option either. I work with a marine and he makes over 200K/yr selling roofs and drives a Maserati with the roof money. It definitely teaches you structure and accountability. 

It's important to point out if you decide to not go to college your parents, friends and family will probably chastise you for it and will constantly look down on you. My family did when I dropped out and the guilt is what made me finish my degree. Ultimately the guilt cost me around $40K. Maybe your family is more supportive, but it is something you should be aware of and be ready to ignore and go for your goals and not theirs. 

For whatever reason, previous generations think college is the only way and the reality is that it is not. It's not their fault because it's been smashed into their head their whole lives. But it is false information!  

Hope this helps man! 

Post: Newbie Wholsaler in Minnesota

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@Budd Sieger

Hey! 

My real estate agent just brought me a deal last week. He is not personally listing it as he is concerned about his image, it's kind of a mess. 

I was going to entertain a fix and flip with it, but I am living in Florida and after viewing the property, it is more than I want to even try to manage remotely. 

It is a single family home located near the Excel Center in St. Paul. Let me know if you're interested, would love to give you more info. The owners are looking into cash offers right now. 

@Yvette Valencia

I wouldn’t worry. I just sold my duplex that was in the ghetto. 5 people were shot and killed between Feb and April.

I bought the property for 207k, got $2550/month gross rent and sold it for 250k a year later after doing some upgrades.

Do your own numbers and make yourself a solid plan! Crappy neighborhoods don’t always mean crappy returns. When it was rented my cash flow was over $1000/month.

If anything, I would look for something with better cash flow.

Good luck!

@Joey Saldaña

Amen to that. It is tough when you are started out - especially with your own money!

My gf and I are planning to move to Colorado sometime in the next year and I’m living in Florida now for work. I am currently entertaining a fix and flip deal my real estate agent brought me. It is not a great property but it is one of the only ones in my price range.

My point is that I am physically in Florida, but because I am family with the Minnesota market and i am entertaining an remote fix and flip.

Just be creative! It’s a fun game anyway!

Best,

Josh

Post: Newbie Wholsaler in Minnesota

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@Gaege Root

Get ready for the polar vortex and your car freezing! 

I just moved to Florida to get away from it! 

@Chris Mendoza

- what if the roof leaks? 

- what if the toilet breaks? 

- what if the screen door falls off? 

- what if the HVAC system fails?

- what if there is a tax assessment? 

- what if the property is vacant for three months? 

- what if the driveway cracks? 

- what if a sewer line leaks? 

- what if............(?) 

Who pays for the repairs? Not the renters. 

Post: 15 yr or a 30 yr mortgage???

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@William Thomas

Do what you believe is right. If YOU BELIEVE one option is the best option for you, then that is the option to take! 

Always bet on yourself when you're the one doing the betting!