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All Forum Posts by: Jon K.

Jon K. has started 53 posts and replied 543 times.

Post: How to justify skip tracing a number to home owner?

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
  • Votes 557

The best answer is honesty: "We bought it from a company that provides phone numbers."

To find out if it's on the no call list, check the do not call registry.

Post: Tips for beginner attempting to wholesale and have cashflow through rental property

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
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Quote from @Corbin Revell:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Corbin Revell:

Hello there BP, I'm looking into wholesaling in my local area if not out of state (we'll see in the near future). My plan is to get into a fourplex property using an FHA loan while making 1-2 wholesale deals a month if possible while maintaining my day trading business. I am very dedicated to learning and willing to exchange my time, effort, and full attention to learning this field of investments. Any and all tips, responses, or criticism will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely, Corbin Revell

Have you done wholesaling before or is this a new endeavor?

Tips: one of the biggest wholesalers in Phoenix, thus the country, says it takes 20,000 phone calls to become proficient, takes $2,200 in expenses and takes 20 hours of talking to potential sellers (not dreaming about calling sellers, not time spent planning, not learning time, not leaving voice mails time. but actual conversations to get a deal. Oh, and if you care what people call you, sell ice cream bars instead. Much nicer people.

And he says maybe 2 out of a 100 that try wholesaling actually do a deal and a fraction of those do a second deal. Almost all who try give up in the first 6 months.

Sounds like the numbers for a  new real estate agent to me.

Now, this part is me talking

It is not actually real estate, it's "sales". Good sales people can find leads and sell a product. It's no different with houses.

Sales people are trained, not born.


Thank you for responding. To answer your question this is a new endeavor. I am currently just going down different avenues through honest trial and error and not praying and hoping but genuinely giving it my all to try and make a way in this field of business. I am aware of the failure rate of wholesalers and see it as a challenge. Wholesaling may not be for me at all but I am willing to find out. Do you have any sources you'd suggest in relation to becoming a better salesman? 


 The book I mentioned is worth a read. There are also sales coaches that teach the same system through weekly reinforcement training. Happy to connect you with the one I used if you'd like.

Post: Tips for beginner attempting to wholesale and have cashflow through rental property

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
  • Votes 557
Quote from @Jill Addison:

@Jon K. Thank you for generously sharing all this info! How many mailers do you send out every month to close two deals a month?


Of course, let me know how else I can help! I send approximately 5,000 mailers/month for what I would consider a single market and that has historically resulted in 2+ deals/month for me. That number isn't arbitrary though, that is just how many courthouse records there are in my target market in the trailing 6 months. I'd mail more if there were more, but there are only so many preprobate/probate/preforeclosure leads in a given area at a given time. Every record gets mailed 6 times unless they sell or we manage to talk to them.

Post: Tips for beginner attempting to wholesale and have cashflow through rental property

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
  • Votes 557
Quote from @Corbin Revell:

Hello there BP, I'm looking into wholesaling in my local area if not out of state (we'll see in the near future). My plan is to get into a fourplex property using an FHA loan while making 1-2 wholesale deals a month if possible while maintaining my day trading business. I am very dedicated to learning and willing to exchange my time, effort, and full attention to learning this field of investments. Any and all tips, responses, or criticism will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely, Corbin Revell


There are of course many ways to accomplish this and this is just one that works for me for the acquistions side.

1) Learn, practice and implement a sales system. I've had good results with the Sandler Sales System as described in this book.
2) Get "courthouse records". That is pre-probate, probate and preforeclosure records for your target market. You can put the time in to pull them yourself or you can pay a data provider. I pay a data provider because it's cheaper than the price at which I value my time.
3) Send a direct mail campaign to the records you receive in step 2.

Bonus strategy #2: Relationships that lead to referrals. Free leads are better than paid leads.

That's pretty much all I do for inbound lead generation these days and average 2+ deals/month from it for maybe an hour of my time per month (on lead gen). Happy to make connections with points of contact for data and mail if you'd like.

For dispositions:

1) Network like crazy. Facebook groups, biggerpockets, local meetups. Google "we buy houses" and "sell my house fast" and call every website you find in your target market. Get every buyer's criteria that you talk to but more importantly, capture their info in a CRM. You're using a CRM to make it easier to market your deals as you lock them up. You can also flip the script and automate drip campaigns to them with your own buying criteria.

Legal:

Last but not least, talk to some real estate attorneys in your target market just to make sure you're following the letter of the law. Different areas have different rules as to what you can or cannot do. Most title companies have owners who are also attorneys or attorneys on staff who are happy to provide advice in exchange for your business.

Hope this helps.

Post: Wholesale in Maryland

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
  • Votes 557

Hello Karina,

In general you can't advertise to preforeclosure leads in Maryland. Here's an older thread on the subject, I don't believe anything has changed since then. Some quick googling turned up a copy of the law if you care to read it.

Because it's useful to know this anyway, to answer the question of where can you look up public court records online in Maryland, you can do so here.

Post: How to find local wholesalers to source potential projects?

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
  • Votes 557

You're doing it: networking. Facebook groups, local meetups, biggerpockets. You can also google "We buy houses" or "sell my house fast" followed by your market name, then start calling every website on the first few pages and tell them you're a buyer looking for wholesalers.

The key with sourcing deals from wholesalers is the same as any other channel: consistency and follow up. As you make connections, build some rapport, then check in every other week to remind them you exist and what you're looking for.

Hope this helps.

Post: Pre-Probate & Probate, Expireds

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
  • Votes 557

Foreclosures Daily. I'll PM you a POC.

Post: Syndication and Raising Money to buy RE assets

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
  • Votes 557

I strongly recommend you hire an attorney that specializes in syndications for this purpose. One in particular (Mauricio Rauld with Premier Law Group) runs a large private Facebook group called the Real Estate Syndication Community where you can ask questions about syndications. Hope this helps.

Post: You Expect Cash Flow?

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
  • Votes 557
Quote from @Brady Mullen:
Quote from @Jon K.:
Quote from @Brady Mullen:

Investing in real estate is categorically different than investing in stocks/bonds and other customary financial planning tools.

It is buying a small business. This fundamentally changes how you should think about the debt.

A mortgage on a rental property is not an operating expense. It is an acquisition expense.

It is not the market's responsibility to cash flow your acquisition costs. We were lucky enough to experience this over the past several years when interest rates were ridiculously low. However, the product/service you sell your tenants (shelter) is marked up, like any other business, based on your operating expenses plus a profit margin.

The fact that the bank will lend you 75-80% of the acquisition cost of your small business is AMAZING. Covering that expense with the markup on the shelter you provide your tenants is not required to make that a viable business purchase.

If you expect to invest in properties that cash flow with 20% down, you're going to be looking at rentals in more challenging areas.

More importantly, if you're waiting until the market hands you low priced businesses (rentals) and low interest rates to purchase them, then I suspect you will wait for a very long time, if it even happens in our lifetimes.

Interest rates don't play a factor in determining whether small business is covering its operating expenses plus an acceptable profit margin with the revenue. Interest rates just determine the cost of borrowing the money to purchase that business.

Negative cash flow because you borrowed money to purchase a business is an acceptable way to purchase a business. You're buying a business! Why wouldn't it cost you something? However, if you require cash flow out of the gate, you will simply have to put more money down (borrow less) so your profits cover the acquisition expense of the loan.

The golden age of low interest rates and low asset costs is over. There's no sense in pining for it. It's gone. That doesn't make real estate a bad investment. It's just not falling into your lap anymore.


Why would you invest money in a business and expect negative cash flow? That doesn't make sense. Also, you can still find properties that cash flow well in good neighborhoods. I respectfully disagree with pretty much every point you made here.

Thanks, Jon. What exactly did I say that you disagree with? I’m open to digging into it - I am just not clear on what I said that you’re disagreeing with.

Cheers!

Apologies if I was a little curt in that message. You can definitely find properties that cash flow with 20% down that are not in challenging areas. You may have to do some digging to identify those markets, but they're out there.

I can't speak intelligently about most businesses, but I disagree that negative cash flow is an acceptable way to buy a rental property. I think it's a recipe for disaster.

I agree however that there's no sense in pining for the past. All you can do is your best with the information that you have today.

Post: You Expect Cash Flow?

Jon K.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Perry Hall, MD
  • Posts 549
  • Votes 557
Quote from @Brady Mullen:

Investing in real estate is categorically different than investing in stocks/bonds and other customary financial planning tools.

It is buying a small business. This fundamentally changes how you should think about the debt.

A mortgage on a rental property is not an operating expense. It is an acquisition expense.

It is not the market's responsibility to cash flow your acquisition costs. We were lucky enough to experience this over the past several years when interest rates were ridiculously low. However, the product/service you sell your tenants (shelter) is marked up, like any other business, based on your operating expenses plus a profit margin.

The fact that the bank will lend you 75-80% of the acquisition cost of your small business is AMAZING. Covering that expense with the markup on the shelter you provide your tenants is not required to make that a viable business purchase.

If you expect to invest in properties that cash flow with 20% down, you're going to be looking at rentals in more challenging areas.

More importantly, if you're waiting until the market hands you low priced businesses (rentals) and low interest rates to purchase them, then I suspect you will wait for a very long time, if it even happens in our lifetimes.

Interest rates don't play a factor in determining whether small business is covering its operating expenses plus an acceptable profit margin with the revenue. Interest rates just determine the cost of borrowing the money to purchase that business.

Negative cash flow because you borrowed money to purchase a business is an acceptable way to purchase a business. You're buying a business! Why wouldn't it cost you something? However, if you require cash flow out of the gate, you will simply have to put more money down (borrow less) so your profits cover the acquisition expense of the loan.

The golden age of low interest rates and low asset costs is over. There's no sense in pining for it. It's gone. That doesn't make real estate a bad investment. It's just not falling into your lap anymore.


Why would you invest money in a business and expect negative cash flow? That doesn't make sense. Also, you can still find properties that cash flow well in good neighborhoods. I respectfully disagree with pretty much every point you made here.