Originally posted by "DLV":
Some paranoid moderator over at The Creative Investor website keeps locking the forums on Pinnacle. He believes everyone posting (both positive & negative) on them is a "plant"!!
Does anyone know of any other forums currently discussing this company? I'm trying to do my due diligence as best I can. Thanks.
I have to admit that this discussion looks very fishy to me as well. Perhaps the moderators over at TCI are well-founded in those beliefs.
I have never invested in Pinnacle so I will not speak about them specifically. However, I am knowledgable about accounting and legal issues and here are a few things that every investor should know:
1. Financial statements can be doctored up pretty easily. Ideally you want to look at financial statements that are "audited" (and it has to have a clean audit from a reputable firm). For smaller companies they might provide you with "reviews" or "compilations" which are good, but not as good as audited statements. An ad in Newsweek means absolutely nothing about how credible (or not credible) the financial statements are.
2. If a company claims that it has 800+ investors then they are subject to SEC rules and regulations. This is especially true if they are taking investments from people nationwide that have no management over the business. So you could ask your local SEC enforcement agency for more information.
3. Companies must be registered to do business in (at a minimum) the state where they operate. So you can also check with the Georgia Secretary of State to find the articles of incorporation, etc. that tell you about the business.
4. Talk to the better business bureau of Georgia and ask about negative inquiries against Pinnacle.
5. Understand the type of investment you are making. If it is a partnership (!) then you might be in for some unexpected surprises if one of the partners screws up. So if Pinnacle (or you) do something illegal then the entire money invested in the partnership is at risk. Also realize that $20K might not sound like a lot, but $20K * 800 partners = $16 million dollars.
6. If a company is really creating partnerships as they claim then they must file partnership returns with the IRS. Ask them for copies of their returns and see if they are really as profitable as they claim.
Again, I know nothing about Pinnacle. But a dishonest person trying to screw someone over would make sure they created partnerships with as many uninformed investors as they possibly could. They would show unaudited financial statements and promise huge returns. They would refuse to show you IRS returns (possibly because they have never filed returns). They would try to get as many people as possible to make huge investments up front. They would also try to do business without registering with any legal authorities in the hopes that they could pull in as much money as possible before they got caught.
The readers of this forum are smart and (now?) they're educated. The choice is up to each person...
If someone wants to send some detailed information to me I will be happy to give my opinion on whether Pinnacle is legit or not.