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Post: foreclosed house with solar lease

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Quote from @Lilly Fang:
If we buy a foreclosed house from the bank, but the house has a solar lease on it, do we have to take over the lease?
I was planning to buy the house to prevent it from foreclosure but decided to pass it after reading its solar lease term carefully.
The term says that the owner must pay for all the electricity the panel produces. This is an 1190 s.f. house. and the panels produce about 1000kwh a month. sell is paying $200 a month no matter whether he uses the power or not! I can't take over this lease as a rental. I will pass on the house and let it go foreclosure, but not sure what happen to the solar lease after it's foreclosed.
I hope the foreclosure will get rid of this solar lease, then I can contact the bank directly. I am usually for solar, but this one is excessive. If it produces 400kwh a month and I can pass it to my tenant, but 1000 kwh, no way, unless the tenant has an EV.
Do you know what solar company installed them/who holds the lease? Depending on the company, leases and Power Purchase Agreements are typically transferrable to the next buyer. If the electricity costs $200/month and you can get the same from solar, why not keep them? Obviously if the electric usage is less than that on average then it doesn't make sense and the previous homeowner installed 'too much' solar.
Post: Baltimore, MD Lender Recommendations

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Quote from @Jack Seiden:
Quote from @Eric Smith:
Quote from @Brian S.:
Hello all,
I am an experienced investor and real estate agent in the Baltimore area. I'm in the refinance stage for my latest project and am considering changing lenders. Does anyone have any recommendations for local lender (or at least someone familiar with the market)?
I know there's a ton of them out there, so I would be particularly interested in hearing from the folks who have worked with lenders to completion and had a good experience.
Thank you.
Currently live and work in DC - was curious about Baltimore area since people are practically giving away properties there. Which side are you investing on and are you doing BRRRs, turnkey, or section 8?
I’ll 2nd @Kyle Deutschmann that in my personal opinion the actual risk adjusted return is much better in either canton, fells point, federal hill or Hamden or frankly Baltimore county, there are extremely cheap houses in Baltimore that look good on paper but pretty much everyone I know who has one has eventually sold it off, difficult tenants, high turnover and frankly even you have good coc return the actual dollar amount are pretty small.
@Jack Seiden I agree with this for the most part; however, I'm seeing some big development news that is making me interested in certain pockets of the city where there are still sub $175k homes... i.e. Pigtown, Westport, near Druid Hill, near Penn Station etc.. I'd consider Baltimore County as well, but don't have any personal experience buying there (yet)
Post: Baltimore, MD Lender Recommendations

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Quote from @Eric Smith:
Quote from @Brian S.:
Hello all,
I am an experienced investor and real estate agent in the Baltimore area. I'm in the refinance stage for my latest project and am considering changing lenders. Does anyone have any recommendations for local lender (or at least someone familiar with the market)?
I know there's a ton of them out there, so I would be particularly interested in hearing from the folks who have worked with lenders to completion and had a good experience.
Thank you.
Currently live and work in DC - was curious about Baltimore area since people are practically giving away properties there. Which side are you investing on and are you doing BRRRs, turnkey, or section 8?
Who is giving away properties? Can I have one haha? I have lived all over the 'safe' parts of Baltimore... Locust Point, Ridgely's Delight, Pigtown, Riverside, and now Canton. My girlfriend also lived in Mount Vernon when we met, so I've also spent time there. Property values have been on a steady rise near the harbor since the 90s (when they were truly giving away properties...)
Houses in safe neighborhoods are great spots for house hacks, rentals, BRRRs, etc. I do not personally deal with Section 8, but there are a lot of investors in the Maryland Investors Network on Facebook that do that. If you learn how to deal with it... supposedly it can be a good/safe long term strategy since the government is essentially guaranteeing part of your rental income.
Post: Baltimore, MD Lender Recommendations

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Quote from @Brian S.:
Quote from @Kyle Deutschmann:
Thanks for the tag @Jack Seiden
Brian - I used to be a mortgage LO for about 5 years and own a few properties in Baltimore. I'd be happy to connect you with one of my preferred lenders/brokers. Are you looking for conventional, DSCR, something else?
Hi Kyle,
I'm looking for a DSCR loan. I just sent you my number via PM.
Thanks.
Sounds good - just sent you a text. Hope it works out with him.
Post: Baltimore, MD Lender Recommendations

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Thanks for the tag @Jack Seiden
Brian - I used to be a mortgage LO for about 5 years and own a few properties in Baltimore. I'd be happy to connect you with one of my preferred lenders/brokers. Are you looking for conventional, DSCR, something else?
Post: Who is your go-to title company for 'subject-to' deals?

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@Andrew Postell I specifically posted this question on BiggerPockets rather than the local "Maryland Investors Network" on Facebook or other local groups because these "sub 2" deals are frequently talked about on the BiggerPockets podcast and in the forums, yet I have never seen anyone truly explain how this works and the legality behind it. @Tom Gimer and @Ron S. you have helped to clarify a lot of my questions on here. I look forward to scheduling some time to chat with you Tom.
Post: Who is your go-to title company for 'subject-to' deals?

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Quote from @Ron S.:
Quote from @Kyle Deutschmann:
Quote from @Ron S.:
Quote from @Kyle Deutschmann:
Thanks for contributing here. Are you a private lender or more conventional?
That all makes sense - I used to be a conventional LO but never worked on the secondary side or as a private lender. I've been told mixed things on if and when a lender will/won't call a loan due in these types of scenarios.
A wholesaler showed me his closing docs a while back and it basically made the new owner look like a property manager making payments and the new insurance still included the original mortgagee clause and loan # as far as I know.. think that would help at all? They actually informed the lender upfront who would be making payments, etc. Not sure how that all ended up down the line..
@Tom Gimer - yeah it sounds like it makes sense as a short term strategy. How long would you say it takes for someone like Ron to come in and torpedo the deal?
Conventional lender.
The mortgagee clause and loan number don't hurt but, the "insured" changes. That's our "aha" moment.
Gotcha makes sense. An agent I talked to recently recommended the buyer close in a trust thinking that helps somehow.. any idea if that makes any difference here? How long does the process take when you catch one of these? How long does the buyer/seller have to pay off that loan before the lender files a lawsuit or foreclosure (or whatever legal remedy they have?)
4 months to start (CFPB 120 day rule), then state specific for sale so, in California, another 3 months for the publishing period, then 21 days for sale notice so, about 7 months once I catch you, best case, meaning, i probably wont' catch you right away and when i do, i send a demand to the original borrower to tell them they have 30 days to put it back, then i start my 120 days acceleration period after that. If a person can't get a deal flipped in that time, probably should be in a different line of work.
This is super helpful. Thank you for your insights here.
Post: Who is your go-to title company for 'subject-to' deals?

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Quote from @Ron S.:
Quote from @Kyle Deutschmann:
Thanks for contributing here. Are you a private lender or more conventional?
That all makes sense - I used to be a conventional LO but never worked on the secondary side or as a private lender. I've been told mixed things on if and when a lender will/won't call a loan due in these types of scenarios.
A wholesaler showed me his closing docs a while back and it basically made the new owner look like a property manager making payments and the new insurance still included the original mortgagee clause and loan # as far as I know.. think that would help at all? They actually informed the lender upfront who would be making payments, etc. Not sure how that all ended up down the line..
@Tom Gimer - yeah it sounds like it makes sense as a short term strategy. How long would you say it takes for someone like Ron to come in and torpedo the deal?
Conventional lender.
The mortgagee clause and loan number don't hurt but, the "insured" changes. That's our "aha" moment.
Gotcha makes sense. An agent I talked to recently recommended the buyer close in a trust thinking that helps somehow.. any idea if that makes any difference here? How long does the process take when you catch one of these? How long does the buyer/seller have to pay off that loan before the lender files a lawsuit or foreclosure (or whatever legal remedy they have?)
Post: Who is your go-to title company for 'subject-to' deals?

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Quote from @Ron S.:
Quote from @Tom Gimer:
@Ron S. Haven't seen you here in a while until lately. You wanna chime in on lender/servicer types, the DOS and subject-to?
Hehe....long time Tom!
My two cents as a lender - I still call them every time I catch them. How do I catch them? I catch them when they change the name and/or mailing address on the property assessors tax role. Why? Because I (I, meaning as a lender) monitor the property for taxes to ensure they are being paid (Assuming I'm not paying them through impounds). I also catch them when they (The buyer) get insurance. Why? Because I also monitor the insurance to make sure I'm the mortgagee, and that there is adequate coverage acceptable to me, and that the deductible isn't too high. I catch them when the payment changes and the buyer isn't aware because they aren't the borrower. I catch them when the mailing address changes. I catch them when the buyer tries to set up automatic payments from an account that doesn't match borrower name. I catch them when i'm skiptracing and get in contact with the previous owner where they disclose they sold the property Subject to, in violation of the terms of my note.
Why do I care as a lender? Because the buyer isn't able to get any information on the loan and isn't compelled to comply with the covenants of the loan because they probably don't want to and because they don't know what those covenants are. Because I more than likely pledged that loan to FHLB and I can't pledge a loan where my owner is different than my borrower so it puts me out of compliance with them. Because many of my loans are sold to investors (Including Fannie/Freddie) that also have issues with owners not being the borrowers and by not enforcing my DOS, I'm out of compliance with my seller/servicer agreements. Because a Sub To is a violation of the note and DOT and I subject myself to fair lending and UDAAP scrutiny by not enforcing the note. Because @Corby Goade has some good points that people get involved with these deals and know just enough to get in to trouble and when there is trouble, they get to walk away from it with little exposure/liability and leave a path of destruction in their wake if it doesn't work.
Thanks for contributing here. Are you a private lender or more conventional?
That all makes sense - I used to be a conventional LO but never worked on the secondary side or as a private lender. I've been told mixed things on if and when a lender will/won't call a loan due in these types of scenarios.
A wholesaler showed me his closing docs a while back and it basically made the new owner look like a property manager making payments and the new insurance still included the original mortgagee clause and loan # as far as I know.. think that would help at all? They actually informed the lender upfront who would be making payments, etc. Not sure how that all ended up down the line..
@Tom Gimer - yeah it sounds like it makes sense as a short term strategy. How long would you say it takes for someone like Ron to come in and torpedo the deal?
Post: Who is your go-to title company for 'subject-to' deals?

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Quote from @Corby Goade:
Quote from @Kyle Deutschmann:
Hey BP community,
For anyone who has done a subject-to deal in central MD... who is your go-to title company for this type of transaction?
Also, has anyone had any issues with lenders calling these loans due on sale? How do you get around this and not screw over the seller?
I understand VA and FHA loans are assumable... This is not what I'm talking about - I'm referring to buying a property subject-to the existing (conventional or commercial) financing. I've seen a credible title company close one of these in Nashville where I used to live, but have never dealt with this in MD where I currently live.
Thank you in advance for your comments and suggestions. BP typically doesn't allow self-promotion, so if you are a title rep who has experience with this, feel free to slide in my DMs.
This question is asked and answered (incorrectly) IMHO on here daily.
Every title company is happy to do creative deals, they just don't want to work with people who create problems for them. Here's how it normally works:
-New investor finds an assignment contract online, downloads it, has no idea how it works or what the terms of the contract are.
-They find someone who agrees to sell them a property sub to or OWC, everyone signs the crappy contract, no one understands what they are doing.
-Buyer sends the contract to their "investor friendly" title company.
-Seller's cousin, sister, neighbor, kids and their high school history teacher all find out that the seller is "being taken advantage of and having their property stolen by a sleazy real estate investor."
-They all start calling the title company, showing up, threatening legal action, etc.
-Title company tells investor that they don't want to work with them any more.
-Investor thinks the title company doesn't do "creative" deals. The reality is the investor is throwing a huge liability at the title company and the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
If you are honest, knowledgeable and humble, any title company will work your contracts. Proactively reach out to escrow officers in your market, buy them lunch and ask them questions. That'll be the best up front investment you can make.
Finally, people will tell you that loans NEVER get called. I've heard of a few happening recently and a friend of mine just had one called on a sub to deal last week. It can and does happen, so plan accordingly. Assumptions are infinitely better for everyone than sub to if you can make it happen.
Best of luck!
Thanks for your insights. I agree that this subject is asked about frequently, but no one on the podcast (at least that I've heard) has discussed how this really works and how they get 'around' the due on sale clause and other obvious things that make this less than an ideal strategy. I have talked to a few local title agents who either do not understand this strategy or don't feel like it's worth the liability when they could focus on regular/retail business.
I have a few contacts I'm going to discuss this with. Was there anything unique about their situation or commonality such as the particular lender or loan servicer, or a particularly low rate perhaps held by a smaller bank on their portfolio? And how much time do they give you to pay the loan off when they call it due?