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All Forum Posts by: Katherine Earle

Katherine Earle has started 15 posts and replied 80 times.

Post: New Partner Question

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Katherine Earle, I'm sure others will disagree but partnerships often go awry so I always view formalizing these details as being critically important to make things go well long term.

In my mind, I would usually think that a return on the partnership should be based SOLELY on the money invested. If you invest $20k and your partner $80k, then its an 20%/80% split.

Then, you pay directly for any work each partner does at the market rate. So, you get paid normal rates for agent/property management activities. If your partner paints a unit they get paid what you would have paid a handyman to paint it. The work may come and go and its difficult to know today what that work will be and what it will be worth a few years from now. So, paying each instance for the work directly just makes more sense to me.

In this way each person gets a fair return on their money invested an also for their work invested.

If you were only doing work here, I wouldn't even be a partner. Just bank money from the work and invest into a partnership on the next deal when you have money to invest. 

I actually 100% agree with you. I have brought up more than once simply being the agent and property manager for him, but he wants to do it together. He has quite a bit of cash this would be an arrangement for several properties, not just 1 or even 2. He is really pushing the llc route.

Post: New Partner Question

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

I am about to purchase my first rental with a partner. I will be doing the property management for the rentals I buy with my out-of-state cash partner. Do I charge my "Property Management Company" a fee for the services and then split the cash flow and equity if we sell or buy each other out at some point? I will also be the agent, assisting with the purchase. Do I charge the normal commission on top of all of that or waive it as a personal transaction? It feels like I'd be getting the lion's share of the deal. He is a very generous man, but I don't want to be taking advantage of his lack of experience. 

Post: Transfer Property to LLC

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

My lender also said the same thing yesterday about buying a property with cash, applying for the cash-out refi, then using a title company to transfer title to the llc. They do it all the time like that.

Post: Best way to acquire 2nd property?

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Sylvia H.:
Quote from @Katherine Earle:

Many people have used the approach where after 12 months, they refinance the first property, go buy the next one with a new FHA loan and rent out the unit they were previously living in for only 3.5% down instead of the 15-20%. Haven't done it personally, but that was the approach I was looking at to get started. You could also look into a vacation home loan which only requires 10% down, as long as it isn't too close by. I have to keep reminding myself as well that those first few properties are always going to be the hardest. Buying rentals is a long-term play. No get-rich-quick scheme here!

Lenders are hip to investors using this method to buy an investment property for 3.5 percent down. It’s heavily scrutinized by the underwriter when it comes in the door.  It’s not that simple. You have to move at least 50 miles from first property and it has to make sense. If you move from a 2 unit to a 3 they will never believe that. Calling an investment property a second home will also wind you in a heap of trouble if you get caught. When in doubt, don’t. 

You honestly don't have to take my word for it since I haven't done it personally, but my lender actually brought it up to me to buy a vacation home for 10% with the intention of being there a couple of weeks out of the year and renting it out the rest of the time, my parents did it with their vacation home in Tahoe, Tony Robinson interviewed his lender who talked about it on his own podcast, and Tony Robins talked about it in his book "Money, Master the Game" with the Island he owns. He goes there a couple of weeks out of the year and he uses the resort he built on it to pay for it. Also, the FHA loan helped a low-income family of 5 was interviewed on a different podcast become investors. They are currently in a triplex as their 2nd property using FHA and are almost financially free. No doubt that there are wrong ways to do this stuff, but educate yourself and don't stop at your first no. Good luck!

Post: Milwaukee, WI good or bad rental market

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

I lived and worked around Milwaukee for the last 3 years before moving to Michigan and I was pleasantly surprised! I worked for a flipper out there who does amazing, but she knows the market very well and spends tons on marketing every month to find her deals. Definitely not easy! Just because the prices are cheap, doesn't make them a good deal! 

Post: 90Day Challenge Accomplished!!!

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

Congrats!!! Way to take massive action! The worse thing you can do is take no action. Everything else is either a win or "education". :-D Good luck with a successful closing!!

Post: Best way to acquire 2nd property?

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

We didn't talk about specific criteria other than it not being in your same area, but it was actually brought up by a lender I was talking to regarding potential investing strategies. Something I'm considering when I'm ready to get into short-term rentals. 

Post: Best way to acquire 2nd property?

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

Many people have used the approach where after 12 months, they refinance the first property, go buy the next one with a new FHA loan and rent out the unit they were previously living in for only 3.5% down instead of the 15-20%. Haven't done it personally, but that was the approach I was looking at to get started. You could also look into a vacation home loan which only requires 10% down, as long as it isn't too close by. I have to keep reminding myself as well that those first few properties are always going to be the hardest. Buying rentals is a long-term play. No get-rich-quick scheme here!

Post: What would YOU do if you have a large sum of money?

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Originally posted by @Jake K.:
Originally posted by @Katherine Earle:

Actually, I am expecting to be in that position at some point this year. I am looking at using it to invest in the best commercial sized multi-family property I can, for both cash flow as well as appreciation potential. Then use it as my "seed" money for future investments.

You would use ,what? The cashflow from the property? Or would you refi and use that money?

By finding a commercial property where I can add value with better management and raising rents, you can use the new equity with refinancing to fund the next deals. As long as you aren't trying to live off of the cash flow, either filter it back into the property by paying down the mortgage faster or making the property as nice as possible (I'm not talking about over-rehab where you are trying to fit an A property in a C area) or save it to add to the next deal. Or in our case, we can also use it to buy another business with the same concept. We have experience in a couple industries where that would be an option. Lots of mom-and-pop businesses that are being sold with the basic infrastructure and employees in place and the owners just want to retire, but we can crank up the income much higher and reduce the expenses. Add the extra income and extra equity with the new business and use it to buy more commercial properties. It's a concept laid out quite a bit in the "Rich Dad" series.

Post: What would YOU do if you have a large sum of money?

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

Actually, I am expecting to be in that position at some point this year. I am looking at using it to invest in the best commercial sized multi-family property I can, for both cash flow as well as appreciation potential. Then use it as my "seed" money for future investments.