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All Forum Posts by: Keith Lewis

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Post: Best Flooring for Rentals

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100

Before you start singing praises for certain companies and what they sell you might find this interesting....

http://saferchemicals.org/newsroom/new-study-finds-toxic-chemicals-widespread-in-flooring-sold-by-top-retailers/

Post: Best Flooring for Rentals

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100

Max if it upsets you why click on the link and complain? Just to troll? A new investor wants to ask a question and the group answers. Isn't that what we all are here for?

Post: Best Flooring for Rentals

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100

I agree that permanent flooring in rentals is an issue in big traffic areas. Also porcelain is a cold floor and LVT is a much warmer one especially in cold climates. Rubberized flooring? I worry about any "soft material" used in residential flooring such as rubber and cork. More expensive commercial flooring of this type has been "reinforced" for wear. Cork is more resilient, supposedly easier on the back but how long do you really stand on it. But if you drop a knife on it it can stick in it more easily that LVT or Hardwood. Another thing to consider; in my market hardwood and ceramic type floors is supposed to be installed by an installer with one of the various types of builder licenses since it is being attached to the structure of the floor. LVT does not have that proviso.

Post: Best Flooring for Rentals

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100

Porcelain wood look is durable. Make sure you get a rectified version which may run you more especially if you are looking to have a very tight grout joint. Naturally the issue with ceramic/porcelain is if you chip or break it is the cost to repair. If you are doing the labor yourself then that cuts the cost but if you are contracting it out you might be better off with a better quality LVT or LVP. The cost to install is much less. DON'T buy anything under a 3mm plank. The thinner ones shows every imperfection in the subfloor. Get at least an 8 mil wearlayer(12 mil is better) and make sure the product has a scratch resistant finish.

Post: Laminate vs Vinyl Flooring

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100

Has anyone ever tried the Menard's Evolve LVP? If so I'd be interested in their comments.

Post: Flooring in triplex

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Roy N.:

@Sam Akif

A few questions to ask yourself which will help you decide:

  • Who is your tenant population? {What type of rental - Class A, B, C, D ...}
  • What is your competition doing?
  • What is the integrity of the subfloor and structure - is there movement in the subfloor on the upper levels? 
  • How is your triplex divided - are they over/under units and/or adjacent (common wall)?

It's not so much a question of what is better - laminate or vinyl (plank or sheet), but what types of flooring are applicable to your situation.

While quality laminate (AC3 - AC5) offers a "good looking", functional floor for the price, it does not handle moisture well and can be noisy for tenants below (depending on the sound deadening measure taken in the floor/ceiling boundary).

Vinyl tends not to mimic wood as well as laminate {if that is the look you seek}, but it is non-organic, so a good fit for humid or wet areas (bathrooms, laundry rooms, basements, direct over slab, etc).  A poor quality vinyl will have a thin finish layer and, most commonly, a black or white base - as a result, scrapes/knicks/cuts will be quite visible.  A better quality vinyl will have a thicker finish/wear layer and will often have a base closer in colour to the finish (making cuts and deep scrapes less obvious).

In addition to laminate and vinyl, there are many other flooring options: tile (porcelain or ceramic); linoleum; hardwood (engineered or traditional plank); bamboo, etc.  Knowing your clientele, your price point and your competition will help you narrow down the choices.

 As  a B@B flooring rep for the last 30 years I find it amusing to see someone pontificated the way Sam has in the above statement. He DOES have some of his facts straight however, the Ones he does is:

1) Yes you need to be aware of the structure and quality of the subfloor you are going over. ALL good installation start and end with good preparation of the subfloor.

2) Laminates do have problems with moisture, and sound hollow and can be very noisy for the people living below them. While an acoustical barrier can handle this you need to check with the local building codes for the sound deadening requirements, if any.

Now lets go over what he DOESN'T know:

 Vinyl tends not to mimic wood as well as laminate. The newer LVT ans LVP products have films and textures that make them hard to distinguish from the real thing. BUT cheap price will give you a cheap look you; ie you get what you pay for.

A poor quality vinyl will have a thin finish layer ... a black or white base - as a result, scrapes/knicks/cuts will be quite visible.Obviously Sam doesn't know how luxury vinyl is made. You have the color and pattern layers and above that you have a WEARLAYER not a finish. The Finish which most cheap LVT's don't have a a scratch resistant layer using Aluminum Oxide or Ceramic. Wear layers are PVC and will scratch in time which is the reason a finish is applied to better products. As to the base material, any color that is NOT the color of the pattern film will look bad and they will be just as obvious. A bigger concern should be whether your product's backer is made out of recycled content or pure vinyl. Recycled content may have all kinds of nasty things including metals that cause outgassing over time. It can also have an effect on the the glue's ability to bond with the tile. You should also be aware of what plasticizers were uses to make the products as that has become an issue (CNN had a big article about Home Depot's removing a certain one by the end of 2015).

Finally yes there are other options but they all have their pros and cons; Ceramic has weight issues but is very durable, Wood in a rental (GOD FORBID, unless you're good at refinishing the stuff every time a tenant moves out, hiring it done is more money out of your pocket) is not something I'd recommend unless this is a high dollar real unit. Linoleum unfortunately is used interchangeably with sheet vinyl and they are not the same in looks or especially in cost. Sheet vinyl can be a less costly option but just be prepared to replace it with every move out. Linoleum is a wood product that is expensive and difficult to install and not many hard surface installers know how to do it now a days as you don't find it except in commercial installations that require something burn resistant(that's the reason they call it battleship linoleum cause that's one of the main areas you can find it; on a Navy ship.

Sorry this went on so long but hopefully this explains things for Bigger Pockets investors.

Post: Buying a container of laminate from China

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100

Do you have official certs on this material? After all current hub bub regarding the LL  Chinese made laminate I'd want to be sure I wasn't buying a lawsuit. The CDC update a couple of weeks ago speaks volumes. And not all LVT's are out of the woods either.  Check out this CNN article,

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/22/news/companies/home-depot-vinyl-floor-chemical/

Post: Flooring Choices

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100

First off don't install over the VCT floor unless you are using a floating floor. REASON? If the tile comes loose them the floor that's glued to it is shot. If you're willing to roll the dice and go over the VCT rough up the finish so the glue will bond

There are plenty of click lock laminates that are inexpensive. They don't hold up like LVT. You should be able to find a 2mm vinyl plank with a 6 mil wearlayer for around a $1.25. Mohawk makes an entry level one. Not sure what install goes for down there but most handymen in Detroit would do it for about $1 a foot.

Post: Vinyl plank flooring discount today only online from Home Depot

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Steve Babiak:

Today, Dec 14, 2015, Home Depot is once again having a one day special on vinyl plank flooring; link above will take you to the offer page. 

As to the concerns raised by 

@Keith Lewis, here is a link to an article concurring with his statement about the phase out of that chemical by Home Depot - but read the link to get the full story. Seems Home Depot is more environmentally conscious on this matter than some of HD's competitors:

http://www.ecocenter.org/healthy-stuff/reports/vin...

 No doubt they were one of the first to come out. I do find it interesting that none of their products were tested or at least listed in the article. I applaud their initiative but you might not know that since that article most of the Big Box Stores are striving to accomplish the same. You might also note that the older more established manufacturers for the most part tested clean(Armstrong for example). What you might also notice is that was the thinner cheaper products that tested worse not the higher qualities. I've had that article on my desk for many months.

Post: If tenant is not re-signing lease, when do you start showing?

Keith LewisPosted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Canton, MI
  • Posts 129
  • Votes 100

Have to agree with the consensus. Wait til they're gone. I know I might cost you a month or two but you were going to need it anyway to freshen up the unit. If it's in the budget hire a cleaning service(contract with them for future services and get a discount). There are also property maintenance companies that can do repairs as well(contract them too). Work the cost into the lease AND security deposit to spread the cost and not price yourself out of the market OR realize that it's part of the cost of doing business and split it with the new tenants.