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All Forum Posts by: Kelly M.

Kelly M. has started 9 posts and replied 18 times.

I have a weird question.  My renters are about to end their lease and they are responsible for damage to the house.  I suspect they are  not going to be happy when I withhold money from their security deposit to pay for those damages.  I also have a business (non real estate related) that is on Yelp.  My concern is that the renter might wish to retaliate against me by posting a false negative review about my business on Yelp.  While I dont have any specific concerns about this occuring with this renter, the idea did cross my mind that it could happen either now or in the future.  This concern got me thinking about creating a buffer between myself and future renters with respect to personal information about myself.  It wouldnt be too difficult for any renter to Google me and learn that I own my business so not voluntarily telling them that I have a business is not enough of a barrier.  Is it possible to use a fictitious name when renting a house so as to keep my personal information private from a renter?  How would such a thing occur if I am entering into a legally binding contract with someone and have to sign documents?  If it wasnt for my business I wouldnt really care but negative reviews on Yelp are a real issue.

Post: What to do with $100K buying notes and\or securities

Kelly M.Posted
  • Melissa, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Roman M.:
Originally posted by @Kelly M.:
Originally posted by @Roman M.:

It all depends on your investment objective & on your short term or long term goals.  If you want just to park your money somewhere to hedge against hyperinflation that is coming soon then Gold is a good option. If you are looking for cash flow then note investment is good and so as real estate.  I personally don't believe in the stock market and that is why I sold all my stocks when S&P was at 899 & started buying real estate instead and I don't have any regrets.  Look at the S&P today it's 2688 and was down 4.6% today.  That is a huge move in 1 day.  Do you have the stomach for that? 

A lot of people on BP are buying real estate for it's cash flow and less riskier return on the investment then what market offers out there.  

The most important to me is return of the investment, followed by return on the investments.  

You maybe looking in a wrong area to buy.  Some RE markets are overheated, some are heating up and some have remained stable with modest appreciation.  If I can get north of 10% return (not leveraged) and have a modest appreciation then I am okay with that because 10 years at 10% is 100% of my investment back in 10 years.  If you leverage that you are getting north of 20% return and you got your money back in 5 years and still own an  asset that can appreciate.  

Disclosure: I own real estate, couple of notes, bunch of tax liens. 

 My risk tolerance is fairly low and I am looking for passive income.  Landlording is a PITA and even worse for me as I like to do things the right way (controlling some would say..haha).  I am a landlord and manage my own rental property and I would rather spend my time growing my business than dealing with tenants.  Short term goals is to park my money and make it work...I dont need it right now nor do I see myself needing it in the near future either.

How about Hard Money lending or tax lien investing  ? It is short term, high yield and you don't need to deal with tenants.

I am open to HML but I am sure there is a higher learning curve to learning how to doing HML safely than buying performing notes. Safeguard Capital Partners has what appear to be fairly safe performing notes with a return of 9% so that is the direction I am leaning towards going in regarding buying notes. Feedback or experience on Safeguard notes would be welcomed.

Post: What to do with $100K buying notes and\or securities

Kelly M.Posted
  • Melissa, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Roman M.:

It all depends on your investment objective & on your short term or long term goals.  If you want just to park your money somewhere to hedge against hyperinflation that is coming soon then Gold is a good option. If you are looking for cash flow then note investment is good and so as real estate.  I personally don't believe in the stock market and that is why I sold all my stocks when S&P was at 899 & started buying real estate instead and I don't have any regrets.  Look at the S&P today it's 2688 and was down 4.6% today.  That is a huge move in 1 day.  Do you have the stomach for that? 

A lot of people on BP are buying real estate for it's cash flow and less riskier return on the investment then what market offers out there.  

The most important to me is return of the investment, followed by return on the investments.  

You maybe looking in a wrong area to buy.  Some RE markets are overheated, some are heating up and some have remained stable with modest appreciation.  If I can get north of 10% return (not leveraged) and have a modest appreciation then I am okay with that because 10 years at 10% is 100% of my investment back in 10 years.  If you leverage that you are getting north of 20% return and you got your money back in 5 years and still own an  asset that can appreciate.  

Disclosure: I own real estate, couple of notes, bunch of tax liens. 

 My risk tolerance is fairly low and I am looking for passive income.  Landlording is a PITA and even worse for me as I like to do things the right way (controlling some would say..haha).  I am a landlord and manage my own rental property and I would rather spend my time growing my business than dealing with tenants.  Short term goals is to park my money and make it work...I dont need it right now nor do I see myself needing it in the near future either.

Post: What to do with $100K buying notes and\or securities

Kelly M.Posted
  • Melissa, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2

I have 100K to invest at the moment and I would like some feedback specifically from "note and real estate" investors and not just "real estate" investors. I was very keen to purchase rental buy and hold property but after doing considerable research have reached the conclusion that the RE market is deep into the seller cycle nationwide and I am not sure now is the time to get in. I am well aware that there are still cash flowing opportunities out there and I could probably survive relatively unscathed if I buy now in a good cash flowing property even if the market goes south within 1 to 2 years (which IMHO I think it will). The other issue that is swaying me away from real estate property at this time is that its much more time consuming to find deals right now and time is my most precious asset so I need something passive.

I was of thinking of investing my 100K as follows:

  • 20K in gold
  • 20K in an index fund pegged to the Dow Jones (I know, quite the day to talk about buying stocks!)
  • 10K in an index fund pegged to the NASDAQ
  • 50K in a individual note or note fund

These are rough numbers but that is the general thinking I have. I am well aware that the stock market can go south (I have already experienced that first hand) but I am in a good financial position and can wait out a correction. I would love to get honest feedback on the investment plan above.

I am considering buying a turnkey property from Real Estate Done 4 U (Michael Drew).  I am interested in hearing first and second hand experiences as part of my due diligence.  Feel free to post here directly or if it makes you feel more comfortable then PM me.

I would really like to do what I repeatedly hear on the BP podcasts and BRRR - I really would. I am not afraid of putting in the work and due diligence in vetting people out. I worked very hard to build my practice to where it is today. As it is, I think it would be better for me to vet out TK providers and acknowledge that the return is simply not going to be what it could be if I would build the team up from scratch.

What I always hear is you need to have a team you can trust and that makes perfect sense, but trust is earned and how do I give all the different players I need to put together the opportunity to demonstrate that trust?  I think that's what it comes down to busy professionals who are buying out of state and why they go the TK route.

Originally posted by @Ali Boone:

Haha...I love this Kelly! Being pro-turnkey myself, I love that you are asking specifically for the good things about it. Most people ask 'should I go turnkey?' and then you only get the negatives in response. All the while, lots of people are having great turnkey experiences but they just aren't yelling about it on the forums.

So, okay, to answer your question. I started buying turnkeys in 2011. I've certainly had "learning experiences" over the years with them, I've had major wins with them...you name it. So in thinking of how to make the most of it and what you can do to tip the odds in your favor:

  • The more people you have behind you, the better and the stronger your position. If you just show up at a direct provider's door and buy one property, you aren't bringing a lot of buying power. So the more people you know, the more people who will have your back, the more [unofficial] incentive for someone not to take you out to pasture because they would be risking ticking off a lot of people.
  • Find out which TK providers people have had good experiences with and start there. The downside on that one is, at least from I've noticed, as soon as people have good TK experiences they are no longer really on these forums because now they know what they are doing and they aren't looking for more education or research. So they don't  often respond to forums that ask "who's had a good TK experience and who'd you use?". 
  • Work through aTK promoter rather than a direct TK provider. I can think of a couple TK providers right off the bat that I would feel confident in someone going at it alone, but a turnkey promoter will work with several TK providers in different markets, so they can give you less biased advice about which market to invest and who to work with based on your own personal situation. Different markets and different buying opportunities are better for different people and goals. They can also add a tremendous amount of customer service for you (TK providers are rarely known for their customer service skills), and they add that 'power in numbers' factor that I mentioned in the first bullet. A TK provider would be stupid to mess with you if you are part of a larger buying power.
  • Vet the PM that comes with the TK property as if you were shopping for PMs on your own. Turnkey providers are excellent at finding deals, rehabbing, all that stuff, but the reality is the PM side is just something they need to create to put with the offering. PMs = customer service = not TK's jam. They aren't all bad, but don't just trust them with your first-born child because they come with the property.
  • Most importantly, don't go with the assumption turnkeys are 100% hands-off. They aren't, and they shouldn't be. You are responsible for due diligence and managing the management, so to speak. I've seen so many people just go to sleep on their property and then being irritated if something slacks off. Even with the best TKs and PMs....we are still talking rental properties here. They aren't always necessarily perfect, things can go wrong, and ultimately you are the boss so you might need to make decisions occasionally.

Hope that helps? Great question and maybe I'll come up with more. Reach out anytime if I can be of any help!

 I have never heard of a turnkey promoter.  How do you find those?

I repeatedly read negative comments about investing in Turnkey properties and I would like to hear from those that have had positive experiences and what you did to tip the odds in your favor of having your investment be successful. I am a busy professional and simply do not have the time to put in the necessary amount of time in order to extract maximum profit from a buy and hold BRRR-type strategy and yet I still want a piece of the real estate action. Assuming I go the turnkey route, without espousing how poor of a decision it is, I would like to hear how I can make the most of the situation, and yes, I am aware that I will still need to dedicate time to that process as well.