All Forum Posts by: Eric S.

I have small apt building 10 units, one main front entrance and three back doors for each floor, there are 3 floors. I have a tenant or more so their parents that would like to have their own alarm system. Any thoughts on this. This unit does not have its own private entrance. It is actually right off the main front door.  My hesitations are if there were problem authorities would still need to get in the front door. Would need to know the code for maintenance.  If it goes off an error how can one shut it off. If she could not be contacted. Thanks and let me know your thoughts!

Hi All,

Just curious on what verbiage and things do you make sure to include in a contract with a contractor if you are turning over a unit between tenants. My goal is to make good concise skeleton that I can provide to contractors on the work expected to be performed to each unit between tenants and then only have to add a few things depending on the unit and property. I know I can use a move in checklist as help, but I am looking something with more accurate contract language that is broad that can be used in many difference circumstances, but also something that defines things in narrow scope when necessary to decrease the chances of contractors rebutting with an oh I didn't know I had to do that response. Interested in your thoughts or even better if someone has something that they have created.

Thanks!

Hi All,

Just curious on what verbiage and things do you make sure to include in a contract with a contractor if you are turning over a unit between tenants. My goal is to make good concise skeleton that I can provide to contractors on the work expected to be performed to each unit between tenants and then only have to add a few things depending on the unit and property. I know I can use a move in checklist as help, but I am looking something with more accurate contract language that is broad that can be used in many difference circumstances, but also something that defines things in narrow scope when necessary to decrease the chances of contractors rebutting with an oh I didn't know I had to do that response. Interested in your thoughts or even better if someone has something that they have created.

Thanks!

I know Ohio, I have found banks that offer less than 15% down for 2-4 units with smaller local banks or different programs like OHFA. With different programs. I am looking to help my mother purchase a 2-4 unit property. She live in one of the units and have the other units pay the mortgage. 

Hi Zach, Yeah I tried and they are not budging, the only they said is once stabilized they will talk about line of credit. Prime plus 1% is what they are quoting. Thanks !

Russell Brazil Bank one I am clear to close. Bank two they like the deal and will use the approvals from bank one, but I just submitted all of my personal info. Reviewing it they see no reason why I wouldn't be good to go. They have not fully underwritten it that's why they need few weeks as well as they are busy.

Hi Everyone need some advice on which lender I should go with. Little background info 10 unit apt building currently bringing in $5400 gross a month. 5 studios and 5 1 bedroom apts. Price is 595k. A neighborhood great location. Fully leased now but can use updating to get it at market rents at about 8k a month gross. About 100k in exterior code violations mostly 200 LF of box gutters. Has already been appraised for 1.12 million after cost renovations and once stabilized. 

One Loan option is 700k total purchase, 100k in escrow for repairs, 4.25 interest rate 3/8 point closing cost, 25 year amortization, 140k down payment. Once building is up to code they talked of giving me 100k line of credit for interior renovations.

2nd Loan option 950k total loan option, only 100k down, 4.75 interest rate, 1 point closing costs, 25 year amortization. It would be a construction loan with 300k for interior and exterior renovations. Anything left over I get to keep. 12 months interest only. 

The thing with the 2nd option is I just heard back about this option and I am scheduled to close November 2nd. If I ask for extension it is $200 a day and the 2nd bank would need at least 2.5 weeks if not little longer to close so we are looking around $2000 for an extension. Also I think I would be burning bridge with 1st bank bailing last minute. What are your suggestions. Any other questions please let me know. 

Thanks!

@Brandon Schlichter they quoted me 2 years interest only financing and then 10 to 15 year payment with the line of credit and 1% plus prime. What kind of rate did you get or terms? What were your terms? I would love to hear more maybe we can even swap information on banks. Thanks!

@Jason Lewis 

What do you mean mean keep the line of credit when I refinance. Also most banks usually require at least 12 month seasoning period correct?

Send me a pm and we can swap information, I would love to swap banks from you as well. Thanks!

Eric 

Hello trying to figure out the best possible lending option. Scroll to the bottom if you just want help answer my question and not read all the extra info about the property. Forgive me in advance for any typos.

Here are the facts I am contract with 10 unit all brick 3 story apt building 5 units are studios and 5 are 1 bedrooms located in one Columbus Ohio most vibrant neighborhoods Victorian Village/Short North area for 599k with 4k closing costs.

The building is grossly under rented, currently at $5300 per month gross with 1 bedrooms average 1 bedrooms at $650 and studios for $400. Average rents for the area would be $550 for studios $750 for one bedrooms as is with no renovations. Tenants pay all utilities with $25 dollar add to rent for each unit for water. Two lower units have central ac the rest have window units.

It has been cited by the city and Victorian Village commission (historical commission) for couple things major ones box gutter and cracking concrete near the fire escape stairwell. I plan redoing 200 linear feet of the box gutters, re pouring the concrete, patch fire escape and repaint, and re build bowing wall at back of it. Also fix columns near front porch as well as few other things. Quotes from previous owner bring in at 80k. My quotes closer to 60k. I plan on investing about 120k interior. New hallways floor painting and lighting. Interior my goal is to renovate 6 units completely. Other 4 adding some updates here and there. My goal is be able to standardized units have slim dishwasher, combo washer/dryer, and as close to full size fridge as possible. Currently there is one set of coin op laundry on first floor for the entire building.

Questions about renovations?

Does anyone have experience with using all in one washer/dryer combos? I feel like I could them fit and work in most units especially one bedroom I wouldnt need run any 220v amps or much additional plumbing. Also will only be allowing one person to be living there in each unit so not like many loads will be done on a weekly basis.

Also because I don't want blow out many walls. What are peoples experiences with PTAC and Mitsubishi units? My first impression was PTAC but the 1 bedroom units, the bedrooms are separated from the living space so would need two for those. Also some bathrooms have base heaters. That is why I thought about Mitsubishi units.

On to my loan options.

I have loan commitment letter. Where we have already agreed to 80% LTV on total acquisition cost of 700k. 1/2 point closing costs and 4.25 interest fixed for 5 years and 25 year amortization. No other closing costs except appraisal fee which I already paid.

600k for purchase and 100k that will be in escrow account to used for exterior code violations and interior deferred maintenance etc. I like the escrow option vs construction because dont have to worry about draws, fees, inspections etc. I originally asked for 50k more because at time I was only going to renovate the studios and few things to the 1 bedroom units. I was told by the loan officer that is the most they can do but depending on the appraisal can request more. We were both expecting the appraisal to come back very strong and it indeed it did. Just received it. Mind the appraisial was done by very reputable commercial appraisal group.

As is value nothing done came back at...

700k!

Proposing 150k worth of renovations and stabilized after 12 months with proposed rents of $750 for studios and $900 for 1 bedrooms. Came back at....

1.12 million

Now this was more than both the Bank and I thought so I feel I def have some leverage to work against them and since I already paid for the appraiser and can take it to anywhere I want.

This is what the bank came back with they will not increase the amount in escrow, but after code violations are complete they will give me 100k line of credit for prime plus 1%.

Option 1

Push for additional amount for escrow having 150k instead of 100k. They didnt want do this but now that I have appraisal in hand may be different.

Pros - No draws, or title fees, its in escrow by third party and anything I don't use just gets check written back to me. So if I come under budget by 40k thats a check I can have to put down on another property or do work on another property with etc.

Cons - Paying for something I may not need? Larger monthly payment and down payment.

Option 2

100k in escow and 100k line of credit.

Pros - Pay for only what I need. Can use it whenever I want

Cons - Two different payments, as of now slightly higher interest rate. Payment is not amortized over 25 years believe will be 10 year fixed, need to confirm this.

Option 3 construction loan

Pros- Interest only for 9 months. This is big becasue I am going to renovate unit by unit renovating 2 - 3 units at a time at most. So I can still be collecting rent for from other 8 units while only paying interest. I estimate I can pocket additional 30k since I will not have mortgage payment.

Cons- Higher interest rate 4.75%, have to pay additional fees, title fees, draws, inspections etc.

Lastly I am still talking to other banks and now that I have appraisal in hand would help when trying find other financing options.. I still have 45 days before I need to close and can request extension but would need to pay $100 per day for an extension.

Any advice on any option would be helpful to include anything I should consider that I may have missed.

Thank you bigger pocket community! Forgive me for typos I typed this in a hurry.

Eric