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All Forum Posts by: Drew Sygit

Drew Sygit has started 41 posts and replied 9048 times.

Post: 100 Unit Apartment complex financing

Drew Sygit
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@Charles Becoat how is it performing?

How much work does it need?

How much are you planning to put down?

Post: How long should I give my PM to Rent a Unit before changing PM?

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Yes we cover Detroit:)

Post: The Hidden Cost of Every Real Estate Investor Faces: The Opportunity Cost of Time

Drew Sygit
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@Selali Kalevor 100% correct - except outsourcing PM work for only $25/hour. 

Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

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@Alan Asriants VERY GOOD POST!

Am so TIRED of trying to explain this to naive newbies who think they need to buy Class D rentals because that's all they can afford and S8 is going to solve all their cashflow problems!

We try to help them as best we can, but then our name gets trashed when they don't get their paper results - because you know, EVERYTHING is the PMCs fault.

Post: Partial property management question

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@Jairo Montezuma recommend you chat with @Samuel Eddinger!

Your biggest challenge will be what to do when something goes wrong: nonpaying tenants, maintenance, mother nature damage, etc.

Recommend you include these in any management agreement you sign, so you're not overcharged when you need these services.

Post: New to Real Estate - NYC & Philadelphia

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@Raquel Reed

Recommend you understand the property Classes, so you buy wisely!

Property Class will typically dictate the Class of tenant you get, which greatly IMPACTS rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

If you apply Class A assumptions to a Class B or C purchase, your expectations won’t be met and it may be a financial disaster.

If you buy/renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what quality of tenant will you get?

Similarly, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A 4-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

So, when investing in areas they don’t really know, investors should research the different property Class submarkets.

Here’s our OPINION for the Metro Detroit market (use as a template for your target area!) that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.

Class B Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

Class C Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should be used to also cover tenant nonpayment, eviction costs & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620 (approaching 22% probability of default), many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying last 2 years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

Class D Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation
Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores under 560 (almost 30% probability of default), little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions. Verifying last 2 years of rental history and income extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.

Post: My home is officially cash flowing!

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@Tiana Lazard check with your local municipality, but unlikely you can claim homestead unless it is still your legal address - and you want tenants getting your mail.

Post: New Landlord: How to Screen Tenants & Attract More Applications

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@Palak Patel copied from our website, so use what's useful for you:

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Below is more information about what our Applications Department does to screen applicants and find the best tenants possible for your property.

  1. Required Info

    We require the following from each applicant over the age of 18, that is not a dependent of another applicant (as evidenced on a tax return):

    • Copy of acceptable state picture ID
    • Recent YTD paystub
    • Recent W-2
    • Recent Bank Statement, all pages, no info blacked out
    • Recent tax return if self-employed

    Applicants are often slow about turning this information in, asking us why we need it and then taking several days to submit. Then they complain that our process takes too long!

  2. Credit History

    Many companies use credit summaries, but we find these rarely tell the whole credit story. So, we obtain a full credit report and review collections, chargeoffs, age of credit accounts, active accounts, etc. to build an overall credit evaluation.

    FICO ScorePct of PopulationDefault Probability
    800 or more13.00%1.00%
    750-79927.00%1.00%
    700-74918.00%4.40%
    650-69915.00%8.90%
    600-64912.00%15.80%
    550-5998.00%22.50%
    500-5495.00%28.40%
    Less than 4992.00%41.00%

    Source: Fair Isaac Company

    We also obtain data from national databases about evictions, convictions, and sex-offender histories. These all require applicants to submit an acceptable Letter of Explanation addressing each specific issue and occurrence.

  3. Public Records

    We also obtain data from national databases about evictions, convictions, and sex-offender histories. These all require applicants to submit an acceptable Letter of Explanation addressing each specific issue and occurrence.

  4. Rental History

    Because a current landlord may say anything to get rid of a bad tenant out of desperation, we also require information for the previous landlord of all applicants…

  5. Analyze Income

    Many landlords require a month of paystubs from applicants and just use these to calculate a monthly qualifying income…

  6. Employment Stability

    Unless an applicant has exceptional credit, we strive to determine their stability of employment…

  7. Assets

    We are one of the few management companies that requires a bank statement as part of our application process…

  8. Letter Of Explanation

    Any time there are credit issues or we discover an inconsistency, we require a written letter of explanation (LOX)…

  9. Underwriting

    Traditionally, landlords have only looked at the income of applicants…

  10. Approval

    Once an applicant is approved, we require a nonrefundable Holding Fee to make sure they are serious…

Post: Introduction - new to investing in Phoenix

Drew Sygit
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@Khaled Seirafi what business would make the mistake of providing BAD references?

So, what are they worth?

Post: 2-4 Family With Cash Flow

Drew Sygit
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@Matt Schreiber you won't find any Class A or B properties that cashflow - whether SFR or MFR.

Price & interest rate increases have made it very difficult - unless you find something off-market BEFORE an agent or wholesaler finds it. Often, it will also need work.

So, that is causing investors to lower their standards and buy Class C & D rentals.

Problem is, most investors apply Class A assumptions to these Class C/D properties - and then blame everyone else when they don't get their "expected" results.

Check out copy & paste info below for more dtails:

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Recommend you first figure out the property Class you want to invest in, THEN figure out the corresponding location to invest in.

Property Class will typically dictate the Class of tenant you get, which greatly IMPACTS rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

If you apply Class A assumptions to a Class B or C purchase, your expectations won’t be met and it may be a financial disaster.

If you buy/renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what quality of tenant will you get?

Similarly, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A 4-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

So, when investing in areas they don’t really know, investors should research the different property Class submarkets.

Here’s our OPINION for the Metro Detroit market (use as a template for your target area!) that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.

Class B Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

Class C Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should be used to also cover tenant nonpayment, eviction costs & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620 (approaching 22% probability of default), many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying last 2 years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

Class D Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation
Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores under 560 (almost 30% probability of default), little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions. Verifying last 2 years of rental history and income extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.

Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

The City of Detroit has 183 Neighborhoods we’ve analyzed.

DM us if you’d like to discuss this logical approach in greater detail!