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All Forum Posts by: Marcus Johnson

Marcus Johnson has started 13 posts and replied 648 times.

Post: PM versus DIY

Marcus JohnsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Paul, MN
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@shmuel Harris

Not sure if you read the post, but the figures I used include paying myself now hourly rate for doing showings, maintenance and other property ownership responsibilities.   So it is a direct comparison.   My plan is to save up ther cash flow to put a 20% Down payment on the next duplex.   Then repeat the process again.   

Post: PM versus DIY

Marcus JohnsonPosted
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  • Saint Paul, MN
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I hear ya and I agree with ya.   But the other night i spent two hours arguing with a couple of friends regarding this very issue.   Their point was that my time is more valuable then the increase cash flow and that it doesn't make sense for me to DYI.  IMO, that is what makes it so rewarding, plus the increase in cash flow.  As you can see by my example I've only spent 16 hours in the last 6 months on my investment property.    I don't think that's cutting into family time very much.   If I listened to others that don't understand what I'm doing, I wouldn't be where I am today.  Thanks guys. 

Post: PM versus DIY

Marcus JohnsonPosted
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  • Saint Paul, MN
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It's been brought to my attention that I should be paying myself for self managing my Duplex and that even though my cash flow is higher in the end when not using a PM, it's my time that is more valuable and therefore the result of lower cash flow is more worthwhile.   

I own a duplex in south Minneapolis in a desirable neighborhood, with schools, the Mississippi river walk, Minnehaha falls, the light rail, bus line and tons of restuarants.   Not to mention low crime rates.    My duplex has an upstairs and downstairs unit.  Both are rented for $1195 and $750 since August.  Fixed monthly expenses are as follows:

1.  Mortgage = $998.84/taxes/interest

2.  city of Minneapolis (garbage, recycling, water and sewer)  =  $131.56

3.  Insurance = $138.33 

What I wanted to find out is whether or not using a PM or selfmanaging and doing everything myself would be more profitable when using an hourly Handyman and property manager pay of $50.00 to do a direct comparison for a 6 month time period.   Since I have a handyman business and I charge $50.00 an hour, I know that this is a reasonable wage for a handyman in the Minneapolis area.  I'm going to use the last 6 months to compare the showings of both units, renting those units and all of the maintenance costs associated.   I called a popular Property Management company in the Twin Cities (Renter's Warehouse) to use as a comparison to me self managing and doing all of the work.  

Self management

I documented the the last 6 months with all expenses and income for rental income, city of Minneapolis Costs and Insurances, Mortgage payment, mainetance costs. 

August:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $136.91

Insurance = $138.33

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs/showings = 6 (hours) * $50.00/hr = $300

Cash Flow: $370.92

September:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $110.43

Insurance = $138.33

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs/showings = $0.00

Cash Flow: $697.40

October:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $110.43

Insurance = $110.43

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs = 3 (hours) * $50.00/hr = $150.00

Cash Flow: $575.30

November:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $173.98

Insurance = $137.66

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs = $0.00

Cash Flow: $634.52

December:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $153.76

Insurance = $138.33

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs = $0.00

Cash Flow: $554.07

January:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $103.85

Insurance = $138.33

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs = 5(hours) * $50.00/hr = $250.00

Cash Flow: $453.98

Total Cash flow after 6 months =$3286.19 

Total Cash flow after 12 months projected = $6572.38

((***I'm projecting the same amount of maintenance cost for both scenarios)))

Renter's Warehouse

1.   At the beginning they want first months rent for each unit = $1195 & $750

2.  startup management fee per unit $99.00 X 2 = $198.00

3.  Monthly management fee = $70.00 X 6 months = $420.00

Total costs for a 12 month period (1 year lease)to have them find tenants, show the apartment and manage both units = $2563 / 12 (months) =  $213.58 a month average.  

August:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $136.91

Insurance = $138.33

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs = 2(hours) * $50.00/hr = $100.00 (showing costs are covered by Renter's Warehouse)

Renters Warehouse monthly costs average = $213.58

Cash Flow = $357.34

September:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $110.43

Insurance = $138.33

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs/showings = $0.00

Renters Warehouse monthly costs average = $213.58

Cash Flow: $483.82

October:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $110.43

Insurance = $110.43

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs = 3 (hours) * $50.00/hr = $150.00

Renters Warehouse monthly costs average = $213.58

Cash Flow: $361.72

November:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $173.98

Insurance = $137.66

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs = $0.00

Renters Warehouse monthly costs average = $213.58

Cash Flow: $420.94

December:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $153.76

Insurance = $138.33

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs = $0.00

Renters Warehouse monthly costs average = $213.58

Cash Flow: $340.49

January:

Rental income = $1945

City of Minneapolis = $103.85

Insurance = $138.33

Mortgage payment/tax/interest = $998.84

Maintenance costs = 5(hours) * $50.00/hr = $250.00

Renters Warehouse monthly costs average = $213.58

Cash Flow: $240.40

Total Cash flow for 6 months = $2204.71

Total Cash flow for 12 months = $4409.42

((***I'm projecting the same amount of maintenance cost for both scenarios)))

So what my real experience has proven to me that it is worth my time to do my own PM at this moment.   I mean I only have one duplex at this point, but plan on having at least 8 to 10 eventually.  The total savings by doing my own work is $2162.96.   That is for 16 hours of work for a 1 year lease away from my family.   That means that the per hour savings is $135.19.   Plus the advantage to not using a PM and living close to my rentals is that I can catch problems that I have caught while being at the premises at the premises whenever I want.  I once caught my upstairs tenants turning off the heat in December, which could have caused the pipes to freeze.  A PM wouldn't catch that  most likely.   Or I've caught the downstairs tenants with one too many dogs.  I've also caught a tenant forgetting to put the Gas bill in his name.  I've also gotten to no my neighbors who have my back and have written witness letters regarding bad tenant behavior should I need it for court someday.  I have relationships with other neighbors who can tell me if anything wild is happening at my unit.  A PM would never have that capability.  I also hear of other investment going ons in the neighborhood since I live close to the property.  So at this point, I see no reason for a PM unless I want to take home less cash flow.  



Post: would 5,000$ be a good downpayment?

Marcus JohnsonPosted
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  • Saint Paul, MN
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What is the hurry. Why not save up 20% DP with another 10k for things that pop up. Risk can take you down faster then a tiger. Be patient.

Post: #23 was purchased today

Marcus JohnsonPosted
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What kind of cash flow are you getting.

Post: Minnesota Investing

Marcus JohnsonPosted
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@David K.

The rental falls under the Minnespolis codes and laws.   The city of Minneapolis just sent out the explanation of the Tier system this past summer.  I love the idea because it puts the pressure on the bad landlords.  

Post: Minnesota Investing

Marcus JohnsonPosted
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  • Saint Paul, MN
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I have a rental duplex in the 55406 and the tenants applicants have been quite impressive. There isn't a lot of inventory right now and the prices have increased significantly since I last bought so unless you come across a deal somewhere it's gonna be tough to cash flow. I bought two years ago before prices rose and am cash flowing $700 a month on a 180k duplex with 25% DP. The laws of Minnesota have recently changed. You have to pay for a license renewal each year and ther have been many inspections which is fine by me because it keeps the neighborhoods in check. They have a Tier system now, 1,2 and 3. So if your a landlord that has a property classified as a Tier 1 your doing a great job and your fees are less and they don't inspect your property much. But if your having problems and you don't take care of your rental and tenants, then your classified as a Tier 3 and your fees are very high and you get more inspections.

Post: New guy. Young Good Job Low Debt Low Bills Needs advise

Marcus JohnsonPosted
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  • Saint Paul, MN
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What's cool is by the time your 27 you'd have 48k to use as a DP and closing costs on a 200k multi plex which if you bargain a good deal you'd have around $700 a month cash flow depending on the rental market.

Post: Home Depot (Credit) Cards - which one??

Marcus JohnsonPosted
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  • Saint Paul, MN
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If you have saved money from your positive cash flowing rental property, what would you need a credit card for. I pay for everything with my bank card. Credit cards will never make you wealthy.

Post: Ramsey Fan and Credit Cards

Marcus JohnsonPosted
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J Beard Case2 works great if everything goes perfect and no large expenses like a roof or a renovation takes out your NOI. More rentals=more probable expenses, less rentals =less expenses on average. Oh and the probability of more vacancies.