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All Forum Posts by: Mike A.

Mike A. has started 59 posts and replied 258 times.

Post: Moving into better areas. Tired of the lower income hassles.

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Thomas S.:

Obviously carrying a gun is no protection from a bullet in the back of the head so your experience in the forces is irrelevant in the C/D class war zone. Your employees are correct in that carrying a gun is a higher risk as opposed to actually being additional protection. It will more likely prompt a attack as opposed to protect you from one.

Based on the fact that you state "they clear a decent profit most months" indicates it is a ongoing struggle and would be better to liquidate and move to a more secure and higher quality investment. For no other reason than the safety of your employees it would be wise to sell. It would be different if you were only placing your own safety at risk. If you have a choice to make their lives safer you should take it. 

True, but the licensed firearm is hidden on me and only used for protection. I'd rather have the option of protecting myself and giving myself a fighting chance than pray for divine intervention. I do not think God or Jesus is visiting Hartford or Bridgeport anytime soon. lol.

Post: Adding whole building wifi for smart devices?

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Raul R.:

Its not a bad idea, if its an A class Property as other said  it might be worth trying it out.. Personally I wouldn't do it, I found its best to make the tenant responsible for anything that might break whenever possible.. I dont want to be tech support.

After my Washer/Dryer fiasco in the beginning of my investing career, I provide Washer/Dryer hookup but its tenants responsibility for the equipment.. I remove Garbage disposal if unit has one after it breaks. I get basic fridge, no ice maker or water hookup to avoid issues but none of my properties are in A class.. 

I never used Nest, but if it uses the tenants personal wifi to connect I wouldn't want to be responsible for setup..

No doubt, but they will be setup prior before they move in and provided a username and password to each Nest account. There's no issues in terms of support as it's pretty self-explanatory. Once it is setup, it basically runs itself.  The building also has a few washers and dryers, so I understand your frustration with that. The w/d hookup brings in an additional 20k a year, so worth it in the common area, and we do the same for fridges as well. Very basic no bells and whistles; but they are stainless steel in the A and B areas. In the C areas, we get either white or black, but no water line and we do not offer garbage disposal units. We're just concerned if a kid puts their hand down their and flips the switch. You'd be surprised that this has happened to other landlords before. Not a pretty sight.

Post: Adding whole building wifi for smart devices?

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Patrick M.:

@Mike A. I am in the $1700- $2100 1 and 2 bedrooms range. I find that my tenants like to see a direct line connections in each room. They all have, and need, their own internet and we all know that carries its own WiFi. So many people work at least some days from home that they need a dependable hard line.

I just don’t see the benefit of free WiFi unless it is in a common laundry area. The other gadgets, in my opinion, appeal to landlords and not at all to tenants- and not to the degree of setting you apart.

I would seriously look at the Chicago controls thermostats, they are not flash, but they will save you $ while still allowing the tenant freedom.

Other things I am very much “meh” about.

Not my first rodeo, but I appreciate your input. I will, of course, provide updates to see how the test does. So far we've pitched it to the tenants about the proposed upgrades, it was greeted with all positives, no negatives. The wifi is optional for the tenants, but they are welcomed to use it and it will offer SSL encryption as a standard feature. None use home phone or cable, but each apt is already wired for it.

Post: Adding whole building wifi for smart devices?

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
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Originally posted by @Victor San Gil:

Try it out! If you can get the devices for 50% off MSRP then take the gamble I say. If in the event the system becomes more of a hassle then a perk you can always remove the smart devices and then sell it for 50% off MSRP on ebay and you'll easily get your investment back. 

Also, in regards to wifi access, will that 100MBps be shared across all tenants thus throttling everyones else's connection or will every unit have access to their own pool of 100MBps speeds? If the account is under your name for the internet I'd be wary about what your tenants might be doing online especially people that download copyrighted materials. Your ISP may be on your tail if they track you down.

It's a shot. I thought it would be another way to get some extra money while providing a valuable service that my competitors do not yet provide. I know I've heard the ritzy apts in NYC already offer this.

Yea, the Internet is shared, but I need it anyway to setup the devices. I wonder if there is a way to create a separate login for each apt. for them to use. The account is in the business name, which they know it's an apt building. I live a few miles away, so I do not think it would have any negative effect on me. I think Spectrum also offers business wifi and public wifi, so I'll check with them too (https://business.spectrum.com/internet.html).

Of course, tenants are able to get their own wifi, but with that usually costing around 50 bucks a month, I think my offering along with the smart home features would be very appealing.

Post: Moving into better areas. Tired of the lower income hassles.

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46

Ever since I finally sold our four complexes in a C/D area of New Haven County, I've been refocusing my efforts into better areas. I know the rents will not be be as strong, but I am hoping for better tenants and less BS from the lower income properties. I am also trying to get properties within 30 minutes of our office so we can manage them directly. I've relocated to Stamford, so I am trying to stay in Stamford, CT, Greenwich, CT, Norwalk, CT, Yonkers, NY, and New Rochelle, NY. It's hard to find good deals, but the one I am working on now is 1.9m and throws off 170k gross. I am hoping for a Freddie Mac SBL, and it should net around 5.5k after expenses.  The biggest way I am cutting costs is if they are in my area, I will manage directly, so no PM. That saves me nearly 20k a year in Stamford. I've sold Ansonia, New Haven and Hartford; but keeping the Bridgeport, CT properties. 

I've tried to management with our small team, but since they are in downtown Bridgeport, it's a struggle. One of our team members had a gun pulled on him, and I've had to stare down some groups too. The only difference was that I have a legal concealed carry in CT, but my other team members do not want the responsibility of a firearm. I was in the Army for a number of years, so Bridgeport is a cakewalk compared to Iraq. I could sell our Bridgeport properties, they've appreciated around 60%. However, even with the PM in place, they clear a decent profit most months (knock on wood).

What do you guys think? Do you keep any C/D area properties? Or, are they just not worth the headaches even though there's more profit in those units? Or, do you strictly stick with A/B areas? 

Post: Adding whole building wifi for smart devices?

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Patrick M.:

@Mike A. Seems like a wide spread looking at Stamford. What are your rents?

1850 - 2350 for 2 bd and 3 bds. The building brings in 185k a year gross. 

Post: Adding whole building wifi for smart devices?

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Colleen F.:

Curious What is the opt out option they don't pay the $25  and what happens?  

It's not optional. It's part of the rent and in the lease agreement.

Post: Adding whole building wifi for smart devices?

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Tim Johnson:

I'm not a landlord but I do custom homes and we have had very poor luck with the nest thermostats.  I actually refuse to use them.  We get tons of compliants from the home owners on them from poor temp readings to unable to adjust.

We now use the Honeywell Lyric, its not a pretty as the nest, but I don't ever get call backs and its half the price.

I understand and it makes sense, however, I wanted to be able to have everything universally controlled remotely. With that, only Nest offers the thermostats, locks, smoke detectors and doorbells. Remember, I have setup their accounts and give them access. So, when they leave, I just change the password and ready it up for the next user. Also, I can control the thermostats remotely when they are not in use.

Also, I found that Frontier will wire the entire building and give wifi access for 50 bucks a month at 100MBPS. So, I will also offer free wifi for all tenants. 

So, for what we are going to offer, I think it's a pretty good deal for $25 bucks a month. No one can beat that. 

Post: Adding whole building wifi for smart devices?

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
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Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

The estimated average savings for a Nest Thermostat is less than $200 a year. I'm not sure what you did to save $200 a month but it's not the thermostat.

I'm looking at this from a business perspective. You're going to add around $800 in equipment and then raise the rent $25 a month. It will take you 32 months to recover your costs, assuming there are no maintenance issues, time training the tenants, or time spent answering questions and trouble-shooting them. You also have to remember that technology fails a lot, particularly if it's being used by a renter and not the owner.

For an A-class community, this might be a good idea to make your units more attractive to younger tenants but I don't see it as a financial investment.

I would not had believed it myself if I didn't do it myself. My home has 9 zones, so I had to replace everything. I had the old Honeywell thermostats. I bought them off eBay, so I paid around a hundred bucks for each. I compared the bills for the last 12 months and even in the summer, I saved on average around 200 bucks a month. Some months significantly more.  My partner has been certified by Nest, so he can get me the devices listed above for about 50% off MSRP. The total investment for the entire building is around $1800.00. If I receive $25 per month, per unit, that means I'd be paid back in about a year and a half. Everything after that is gravy. If it wasn't in the heart of Stamford, I'd not do the upgrade. However, I am thinking the gamble may be worth it. One of the tenants works at WWE, the other three work at Thompson Reuters; so they're up there. When a person can control their entire apt. through their phone, it's pretty cool and very useful. I know, I find great value in being able to control the thermostats and getting notifications from Nest's doorbell when someone as at one of my doors. The door unlocking feature is interesting, and it's cool where they can allow people in even if they are not home. Plus, it's associated with a camera, so that is an extra security issue as well.

Post: Adding whole building wifi for smart devices?

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
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I recently took over a small building in a A area, very Ritzy in Stamford, and I am in the process of a small experiment. It's only four units, so it's a controlled test to see if smart devices can raise the rent and save me money at the same time. I am installing:

(4) Nest Hello Doorbells

(4) Nest Protect Smoke alarms

(4) Nest Thermostats E's

(4) Nest × Yale Locks

I will set them myself, as I've been using them in my home w/o issues for over 2 years. I will setup separate accounts for each apt. and when they are rented out, they will be given a login for the Nest account and I will also charge a $25.00 per month, per unit smart home support fee. That includes support and any additional help they need to manage the smart apt. However, I need to figure out how to get wifi for the entire building. It's only four floors, so it shouldn't be too hard, I am just not sure how to do it. Would I just call the cable company to install the Internet?


Open to ideas.

I can tell you, the Nest Thermostats in my home save me about 150 - 200 bucks a month then my previous programmable thermostats. I would think this would be a big selling point for the tenants as well as the alert features they'd have all setup when they move in. With the smart support fee, I'd be able to recoup my costs in less than a year and then it pays for itself. In addition, our utility gives a rebate for the thermostats as well.