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All Forum Posts by: Mike A.

Mike A. has started 59 posts and replied 258 times.

Post: Water meter out of control. Utility not helping - Please help!!!

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

@Mike A. When you said the meter dial “spins out of control” did you bother to watch and approximate the GPM flow?  If turning the main house cutoff stops the meter, and the meter turns with the valve open....obviously there is a flow.  I don’t think the gear mechanism in the meter could produce a false high reading, but I’m not sure.  I could see it “slipping” and produce a false low reading.

BTW, just 1 GPM is over 40,000 gallons a month. Is this a slab home? Are there any underground pipes downstream of the main shut off valve?

Not sure about the downstream, but there are pipes are from the street to the home. 

Post: Water meter out of control. Utility not helping - Please help!!!

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Mike Cumbie:

One of your tenants can't sleep unless the shower is running through the night.

If you are saying the basement is dry and there is no water throughout the building, then it is going down the drain somewhere (or out through a hose to another building/structure from your outside connectors). 

How is this detected? 

Post: Water meter out of control. Utility not helping - Please help!!!

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Scott Mac:

Look at the water heater (put your ear on it if needed) sometime the temperature and pressure (T&P) relief valve at a water heater leaks.

We will check them. The building's bones are from the early 1900's, but if there was a leak, there would be some residue on the floors, ceilings and/or walls...  No?  We've been through leaks before, but this is puzzling to say the least.

Post: Water meter out of control. Utility not helping - Please help!!!

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @John Teachout:

Ask the city to change the meter. That you have no confidence in the present one. If you can have access to all the units and ensure everything is "off", you can then check the flow indicator on the meter to see if it is still indicating water usage. The most common place for a building to lose that much water is via a toilet.

All new toilets as the building was a complete rehab last year.

Post: Water meter out of control. Utility not helping - Please help!!!

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

The city doesn’t look for leaks, past their water meter.  You’ll have to find it.  Perhaps install some cut off valves in the water system at various places until you isolate the area of the leak.

Two plumbers from different companies came out and cannot find the supposed leak anywhere. They've both said there's no leak. 

Post: Water meter out of control. Utility not helping - Please help!!!

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Scott Mac:

Slab, crawlspace or basement and age of water pipes ?

We've checked everywhere. As soon as we cut the water to the building, it stops, then as soon as we attach the meter again, it spins out of control. The bill is stated the building used hundreds of thousands of gallons of water. It's not possible. There is no water anywhere. The building's floors, walls, ceilings, and roof are as dry as a bone.

Post: Water meter out of control. Utility not helping - Please help!!!

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46

We've owned a building for about 3 years in the city. We just received our water bill for said building last week. We called the useless water dept, and they sent someone out. The water meter is going out of control, but we couldn't find the leak. We sent two different plumbers, they couldn't find a leak either. The water dept has no idea what's going on and offers no assistance. Meanwhile, for a six unit building, we have a 2.5k water bill that is normally around 500.

Anyone ever have a situation like this? What do I do? Please help.

Post: Buying an old bank and removing the safe

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

@Mike A. Your zoning/land use allows for a bank building to be used for residential purposes?

 Yep, not a problem. Already checked and have the okay from the building dept.

Post: Buying an old bank and removing the safe

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Jeff Bridges:
Originally posted by @Mike A.:
There's an old bank for sale in CT in a great location. It's a pocket listing, so it's not on the MLS yet. However, the building is in excellent condition, but one major drawback. The bank vault is still in the building. It's an old First Niagara bank that Key or HSBC didn't buy. Any suggestions on how to remove a bank vault?

What is your intended use for the property? Lease it out retail? I've seen banks re-leased out as starbucks or bar/restaurants. The cheapest path appears to be to remove the vault door and prevent liability of someone getting locked inside and use the inside as a store-room. Or sometimes the vault door could be permanently rendered unsuable and placed in the open position behind plexiglass and maybe be used as a design accent. Just some ideas if you dont want to demo the vault. 

I'd convert the building into res. suites, just don't know how to get around the old bank vault. I was hoping someone has been down this road before to give some advice on how to remove.

Post: Buying an old bank and removing the safe

Mike A.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • White Plains, NY
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 46
There's an old bank for sale in CT in a great location. It's a pocket listing, so it's not on the MLS yet. However, the building is in excellent condition, but one major drawback. The bank vault is still in the building. It's an old First Niagara bank that Key or HSBC didn't buy. Any suggestions on how to remove a bank vault?