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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 141 posts and replied 4068 times.

Post: Wells Fargo Abruptly Closes Lines of Credit - The End Is Near

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Originally posted by @Jeffrey Donis:

@Account Closed @Bruce Woodruff This is very interesting! What other assets besides real estate are you guys investing in?

I believe we're at the high of the market, so I'm selling off most of my inventory and preparing to buy again when those 8,000,000 people facing foreclosure start feeling the pinch. I'm not saying that all 8,000,000 foreclosures will hit at once, I don't think that will happen. I think the government will step in to stop that. 

But as they open the flood gates even a little, I'll be prepared. The banks will start turning the screws on people who are behind and put a LOT of pressure on them to sell or do Deed in Lieu. Most people don't like that kind of pressure and will sell just to get out from under it.

I think (although no one knows for sure) that in about October/November 2021 we'll see a fair amount of foreclosures and people who have been in moratoriums wanting to sell. On the east coast, mortgage foreclosures take a while to get through the court system but on the west coast it's a relatively fast cycle because of DOTs. So, timing is important and being liquid is essential.

Or, I could be entirely wrong and move to a Llama farm in Uruguay in shame. ;-)

Post: Wells Fargo Abruptly Closes Lines of Credit - The End Is Near

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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Aaron Gordy:

@Jay Hinrichs unsecured through a local credit union whom I have worked very hard to solidify that relationship.

Very good cant stress enough how local community banks credit unions are the place to go even if it is not the best rates they are there for U when you need them.. Its also a testament to your companies success and standing.. These loans are not easy to get only the cream of the crop will normally get a sizable unsecured LOC.

Credit Unions are great. My unsecured LOCs are with a Credit Union I've had accounts with for a couple of decades. I haven't had a "bank" account, must be since the 1980's. After what I've read about the things Chase, Wells Fargo, Bank of America etc have done to people and the economy, I have no pity if they should go under. Just do a search and weep. 

Post: Wells Fargo Abruptly Closes Lines of Credit - The End Is Near

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Originally posted by @Craig Carlson:

@Mike Hern Wells Fargo has stated several months (maybe even a year ago) that they were trying to get out of consumer banking.. This is just a next step. I wouldn't be concerned unless other major banks start restricting credit. That being said, I'm working on building relationships with my local credit unions.

Just my .02 worth

Did they say WHY they wanted out of consumer debt? It's been very profitiable for them over the years. What has changed? Why would they leave such a huge market? There is always a reason banks make a huge decision like that. The signal to us is that they ARE making the change, buut they won't advertise their prosition. You have to think like a bank.

It's a common practice to have a bank or an investment firm say one thing in the media, to set one kind of expectation by retail investors (mom & pop investors with 401(k)'s ) who then follow & invest the same way and then do something contrarian to reap the benefits.  Look up Pump & Dump.

Post: Wells Fargo Abruptly Closes Lines of Credit - The End Is Near

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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Watch for Black Swans: Bank Bail-ins, sudden change of U.S. presidency (which is what I predict in October-November  2021 timeframe), China invading Taiwan (not this year), proof Covid was developed in China as a BioWeapon, not naturally occuring, a shipping container shortage, (already happening), a computer chip shortage (already happening), 8,000,000 possible foreclosures, the ending of the foreclosure moratorium, the ending of the eviction moratorium and whatever BLM & Antifa have planned (riots, etc). One of those or one we haven't seen before could send it all crashing down. It happens like clock work and it's always the one you don't expect. 


What about alien invasion? You left out that one! After all we now know UFOs are real!

Not withstanding all those things that might or could happen.. One thing that has happened since the GFC and there is no doubt credit freezing was the major issue with that burst.. I lived it.. 

But since about 2013 the private sector has entered the real estate lending game.. there are now many alternatives that did not exist in 2008 to keep investors going in the RE game.. TONS of private money out there .. in the form of funds and quasi HML ers that have blown into multi billion dollar concerns etc and many get a good portion of their capital from Mom and Pop investors that invest in their PPMS and or use those PPM dollars to leverage into Guidance lines which are still going strong.. Now in the GFC Lending Guidance lines all but stopped and were called.. I personally had 25 million of them called.. but its a little different now.. I think / but dont know for sure.. But I think the wells of the world make money with the bank account with 500 dollars in it and charging 6 bucks a month to manage it times millions upon millions.

I can't really claim that I came up with all of that myself. Tho' it does make sense.

It's from someone a whole lot smarter than me. It's from the one eyed autistic odd ball MIchael Burry, who called the 2008 debacle and made a few hundred million in the process. He is at it again . . . (and no, he didn't say anything about alien invasions ;-) This time I'm listening to him.

https://www.businessinsider.co...

Post: How I Saw Opportunity When Others Did Not

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Originally posted by @Nikolas Hamon:

Investment Info:

Single-family residence other investment.

Cash invested: $1,000

I spent my savings on a paint sprayer and grew my knowledge on different paints and stains for fences, as well as application methods. In doing so, I eventually began marketing my services and presenting myself via neighborhood social networks. Over the course of two months, I was in contact with my homeowners and individuals interested in my services, most notably those who wished to increase the curb appeal of their property, as they wished to sell it.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I was in need of a method of financing my living arrangement at the time, and came to the conclusion that I had to find it myself. I identified an issue and taught myself the skills necessary to address it. Being that this was a skill that others lacked, I was able to leverage this and sell my services.

How did you finance this deal?

I financed this project by delivery food and earning tips. The capital was then used to invest in equipment. I also invested my personal time and additional finances to market my skills to others.

How did you add value to the deal?

I found an issue that I was able to resolve. I was also able to offer a price nearly 40% lower than the cheapest local painter in the area.

What was the outcome?

By the end of the summer, I was able to generate a 400% return on my initial investment of $1000, making $4000, and use it to alleviate the financial stress of both myself and my parents.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

I learned that while a lot of people can see the fault in things around us, only a few are willing to step up and solve the issue. In this case, nearly everyone in my neighborhood and in the surrounding neighborhoods would complain about the quality of their fences, but almost none would do anything about it. If you want to see results, don't look at others to find a solution, instead, find it yourself.

 You are what the American Dream is all about. I'm very proud of you. Keep it up.!  

Post: Wells Fargo Abruptly Closes Lines of Credit - The End Is Near

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Mike Hern

You lost me at the prediction of “sudden change of US President…”

🤦🏻‍♂️ 🛑

There are two huge looming factors, either of which changes the presidency.

Post: Loan sold to Kondour during loss mitigation process

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Originally posted by @Jay Cashmere:

 I had some financial difficulties in 2019 and defaulted on 3 payments.  I was offered forbearance for 6 months in 2020. My financial situation improved in 2020 and have been making regular payments since 10/20. A few months ago, current mortgage lender asked me to submit a loan modification application for the 3 missed payments from 2019/20 and 6 months of forbearance which I did .  I received a letter from them acknowledging the receipt of application but it mentioned that foreclosure process had been initiated.    An underwriter called me 2 weeks ago telling me that everything looked good and that she will recommend adding the unpaid balance to the tail of the loan. She said she will call after the meeting with the management that was scheduled later that day. That call never came but I received a letter from them indicating that the note was sold to Kondour Capital.  A quick search showed Kondour is not a conventional lender.  I am very concerned as we have young kids. 

Wondering what this means for us. I have no problems in making mortgage payments and could pay the past due amount as well.  I appreciate your comments in anticipation.

I've specialized in these scenarios for the last 25 years. There are things to do and things not to do depending on your goals and capital position.

The best solution is to pay what you owe and be done with it. Foreclosure is nothing to ignore, of course.

If you can't do that:

1. Lenders sell their loans all the time. Depending on the new lender, you may be able to request a loan modification. It doesn't hurt to ask. 

2. If they won't do a loan modification they plan on taking the property if you don't bring the loan current. Some loans are backed by the government, FHA, VA, USDA , Fannie & Freddie and that means the loss to the lender is lessened. If it's a VA loan, contact the VA immediately for advice on your particular situation.

3. No investor in his right mind lends to someone in foreclosure. If they offer you money, it's so that they can get the house. And there are plenty of avenues to winding up with your property.

4. You can't borrow your way out of this unless it is family or friends (make sure you put together a written agreement if you go that route.) Your credit score is trash right now anyway.

5. You can sell your property up until the day of the auction, it is still yours.

6. There are specialized options as well, but they require more information and have to be discussed in confidence. So, for sure, don't away give personal information in a public forum.

7. Time Matters. You have to take action now, immediately.

Post: Wells Fargo Abruptly Closes Lines of Credit - The End Is Near

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Mike Hern perhaps not a rental but a LOC is widely used by businesses.

Agreed. And as you remember, the whole crisis in 2008 wasn't a housing crisis per se, it was a liquidity freeze. Businesses couldn't get enough liquid capital to operate and pay their bills because they rely on banks and investment banks to fund them on a daily basis. 

When push came to shove, because of fractional banking (which is a disgrace) and then banks using money that legally should have been held in reserve, instead used that money to invest in Collateralized Debt Obligations, which it turns out nobody understood how to properly rate for risk, & it caused contagion ( a cascading effect). Wells Fargo sees it coming again and is smart enough to prepare this time.

Banks and our present economy rely on the velocity of money and the velocity stopped. Here we go again . . .

Will it be today, probably not, but that is Exactly what was thought the day before the collapse. It's probably just the beginning of the beginning, but it is coming.

Watch for Black Swans: Bank Bail-ins, sudden change of U.S. presidency (which is what I predict in October-November  2021 timeframe), China invading Taiwan (not this year), proof Covid was developed in China as a BioWeapon, not naturally occuring, a shipping container shortage, (already happening), a computer chip shortage (already happening), 8,000,000 possible foreclosures, the ending of the foreclosure moratorium, the ending of the eviction moratorium and whatever BLM & Antifa have planned (riots, etc). One of those or one we haven't seen before could send it all crashing down. It happens like clock work and it's always the one you don't expect. 

But, Wells Fargo believes they know something that we don't. Congratulations. You get to go through 2008 all again. This time "Think Different".

Post: Wells Fargo Abruptly Closes Lines of Credit - The End Is Near

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Originally posted by @Henry Lazerow:

This is scare tactic title LOL banks make much more money off credit cards then personal loans. Several banks stopped offering these over the years and moved towards alternative more profitable products. 

 Kind of expensive to buy a rental on credit cards isn't it? ;-)

Post: Wells Fargo Abruptly Closes Lines of Credit - The End Is Near

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When banks start restricting credit, they are not confident about people's ability to repay. That means the use of Lines of Credit, HELOCS and other lending for real estate investing will dry up too.

Wells Unexpectedly Shuts All Existing Personal Lines Of Credit, Hinting US Economy On The Edge

Customers have been given a 60-day notice that their accounts will be shuttered, and remaining balances will require regular minimum payments, according to the statement.